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Tex, do not think that you had something to do with people not losing fat on the diet. I've eaten 1:1 ratios and AT LEAST .8g/lb BW of both fat and protein and lost weight like it was nothing. I am still going to stick to at least the 1:1 ratio in grams. Kiefer said this is for pure fat loss, not for building muscle while losing fat, or anything other than fat loss. I still believe that he would advise the 1:1 ratio in grams for people with other goals. I would say start with 1:1 in grams and then if you stall, start dropping fat. 1:1 in calories seems like caloric restriction to me, anyways. (That would be ~1700 calories for me at 6' 185, which is way below maintenance.)People don't freak out! If 1:1 in grams is working, then stick to it. I've read many success stories with the 1:1 ratio in grams.
Tex, do not think that you had something to do with people not losing fat on the diet. I've eaten 1:1 ratios and AT LEAST .8g/lb BW of both fat and protein and lost weight like it was nothing. I am still going to stick to at least the 1:1 ratio in grams. Kiefer said this is for pure fat loss, not for building muscle while losing fat, or anything other than fat loss. I still believe that he would advise the 1:1 ratio in grams for people with other goals. I would say start with 1:1 in grams and then if you stall, start dropping fat. 1:1 in calories seems like caloric restriction to me, anyways. (That would be ~1700 calories for me at 6' 185, which is way below maintenance.)People don't freak out! If 1:1 in grams is working, then stick to it. I've read many success stories with the 1:1 ratio in grams.
Well the point is, after all: reduce the calories and you will drop weight faster. 😮I am constantly losing fat and building muscle on CBL with a 1:1 gram ratio protein:fat and with good volume backloads. But for a fast fat loss I would shoot for the 1:1 cal ratio as well. If you come out of CBL, just losing the carbs will start your fatloss with a 1:1 in gram ratio easily.
Tex, do not think that you had something to do with people not losing fat on the diet. I've eaten 1:1 ratios and AT LEAST .8g/lb BW of both fat and protein and lost weight like it was nothing. I am still going to stick to at least the 1:1 ratio in grams. Kiefer said this is for pure fat loss, not for building muscle while losing fat, or anything other than fat loss. I still believe that he would advise the 1:1 ratio in grams for people with other goals. I would say start with 1:1 in grams and then if you stall, start dropping fat. 1:1 in calories seems like caloric restriction to me, anyways. (That would be ~1700 calories for me at 6' 185, which is way below maintenance.)People don't freak out! If 1:1 in grams is working, then stick to it. I've read many success stories with the 1:1 ratio in grams.
Well the point is, after all: reduce the calories and you will drop weight faster. 😮I am constantly losing fat and building muscle on CBL with a 1:1 gram ratio protein:fat and with good volume backloads. But for a fast fat loss I would shoot for the 1:1 cal ratio as well. If you come out of CBL, just losing the carbs will start your fatloss with a 1:1 in gram ratio easily.
Agreed!Coming off of CBL, even if you dont seem to lose BF, your fat burning hormones (leptin) should be nice and high, plus lean mass gain, should also help quite nicely.That what I plan on doing, wittling down w/ CBL for a while, then CNS, then CBL, then CNS, etc, etc.
Well I did ask on the FB Page what would be the ideal range for macros while someone was on CNS. I mean with the recommended fatty cuts of meats the .5g:1g ratio would be very difficult to achieve, unless you opt for chicken and fish. The .5:1 ratio seems to be set for CBL now CNS. I will be getting more information regarding this. The 1:1 may work for those with a lot to lose, I believe with the members who have less to lose the .5:1 would be something to experiment with. Be back soon
Tex, do not think that you had something to do with people not losing fat on the diet. I've eaten 1:1 ratios and AT LEAST .8g/lb BW of both fat and protein and lost weight like it was nothing. I am still going to stick to at least the 1:1 ratio in grams. Kiefer said this is for pure fat loss, not for building muscle while losing fat, or anything other than fat loss. I still believe that he would advise the 1:1 ratio in grams for people with other goals. I would say start with 1:1 in grams and then if you stall, start dropping fat. 1:1 in calories seems like caloric restriction to me, anyways. (That would be ~1700 calories for me at 6' 185, which is way below maintenance.)People don't freak out! If 1:1 in grams is working, then stick to it. I've read many success stories with the 1:1 ratio in grams.
Well the point is, after all: reduce the calories and you will drop weight faster. 😮I am constantly losing fat and building muscle on CBL with a 1:1 gram ratio protein:fat and with good volume backloads. But for a fast fat loss I would shoot for the 1:1 cal ratio as well. If you come out of CBL, just losing the carbs will start your fatloss with a 1:1 in gram ratio easily.
Right, but I was referring to people who have stalled. Plus Kiefer has said CNS and CBL aren't about weight loss, but fat loss. I can attest to your final statement as well. I was slamming the carbs and gaining weight on CBL and upon lowering carbs and backloading one night a week(plus drinking on weekends) I was shedding weight rapidly. I'm thinking of rotating CBL and CNS at a ratio of 2:1 weeks respectively so as to take advantage of this and keep the fat off while adding weight.
Update from the same discussion "1:1 grams is the baseline for recompositioning with CBL and you go up or down from there. This thread is about dropping fat (getting shredded I believe). Context is everything."
“1:1 grams is the baseline for recompositioning with CBL and you go up or down from there. This thread is about dropping fat (getting shredded I believe). Context is everything.” -DH KieferFor CBL, this is the words from Kiefer from the FB Page. I'm sure he's pissed or annoyed at this point. I don't blame him. .5g:1g for Dropping Body Fat 1g:1g for Recomping The Body
Update from the same discussion "1:1 grams is the baseline for recompositioning with CBL and you go up or down from there. This thread is about dropping fat (getting shredded I believe). Context is everything."
Since the original post the started the thread is about losing fat with CBL I wonder if the same would apply to CNS or if he is mainly talking about CBL in the thread...?
Update from the same discussion "1:1 grams is the baseline for recompositioning with CBL and you go up or down from there. This thread is about dropping fat (getting shredded I believe). Context is everything."
Since the original post the started the thread is about losing fat with CBL I wonder if the same would apply to CNS or if he is mainly talking about CBL in the thread...?
CBL for right now, I just asked about CNS Trevor, will get back when I read about it.I would still assume 1:1
This is awesome…I like that it's being discussed further. Like I said, I'm doing good with my 1:1ishI seem to stick around 1400-1600 calories when ULC and I'm NEVER EVER hungry. Key point.But I'm still going to play with swaying it toward protein more, just to try. Just changing things up a little here and there is good for your body is how I'll look at it. I want to lose 10 pounds while adding muscle - I suppose it would be different if someone had a significantly larger amount of weight to lose? I'm just talking out loud....
Since the original post the started the thread is about losing fat with CBL I wonder if the same would apply to CNS or if he is mainly talking about CBL in the thread...?
Or for those with a hybrid? Neither one worked ideally for me just "as is" so I'm between the two - and he recommends cycling between the two for women as well...just seems to come back around to the understanding that everyone is different and everyone has different goals/expectations. Once again, finding new information and applying it and being a human guinea pig for oneself 🙂
I do have the Sept/Oct issues of the power mag and in it he says when doing CNS should be 1:1 in grams minus your PWO protein intake. So it ends up being around .8g per lbs of fat and protein.Again, I agree when fat loss if your goal with CBL and adding muscle mass is of little interest to you then going with the 1:1 calories at the end of the day works really well, that's where I always seem to fall when I backload anyway.
So many of us are struggling….staying at a 1:1 gram ratio. My fat has been about 30-40g higher than protein. Protein around 120 g, fat around 140-150. Sheesh, no wonder I am feeling like a hippopotamous at christmas. Oddly enough, this is about what is in the book (protein higher than fat). The meal plans the protein was higher than the fat. But on the forums, fat was always more than protein. I am disheartened. I know it is no ones fault. I felt all along that this diet was not working for me, I tweaked it based on suggestions (mainly the big 1:1 GRAM ratio with fat higher being OK). 6 pounds in 4 months and handful of inches on a keto diet? Big loss of strength? Not very successful (and I am likely 28-30% bodyfat, so my body is primed to give up fat). And with this, I think I am done with CNS. If it is boiling down to calorie restriction, I would much rather be able to set up macros and eat some fruit if I feel like it and some veggies, or a piece of birthday cake, or one freaking M&M, and have more energy for a good workout. I am just a simple housewife/mother that wanted to lose some fat, that likes to lift heavy, that wants to look a little better.
You can have an m&m…But really - wouldn't it be worth it to just try lowering the fat? If you're sticking to the diet and not having extra backloads you should lose weight. I don't know your story but I love eating all those meals in one or two sittings (as with my 2-night Rogue CNS). Makes the weekdays a breeze not over thinking and analyzing food. But being a mother you probably have added stress and that makes it harder. Maybe it's not the right diet just because of the circumstances. Maybe whatever you've done before or want to experiment with now will work out better...it's so individualized. I've personally had my fare share of frustrations but in any diet/protocol/whatever I have to constantly make adjustments. I don't think this is any different.@trevor - I do recall reading that too.
Yikes. I've been doing this for two weeks. I am SO glad I found this. I just loaded up what I was going to eat this weekend. I don't care “who's fault” it is :), I don't want to suffer my eating habits for nothing.I am wanting to LOSE 15 pounds of fat FIRST.I am on CNS.I will do a modified CNS for increasing strength after BF down. I have had problems with lethargy and not being able to give myself to my gym workouts like I used to before this diet.I plan on trying to figure CALORIE FAT: CALORIE PROTEIN RATIO. I don't even understand for sure if that is the "real" way to do it on CNS.This whole thing reminded me of my math teachers throughout school barking at us to not only do our calculations correctly, but to LABEL them, to identify what it was, and the units you were using! 🙂I just read that whole facebook thread. WOW. I am glad this subject came up. It would be to the benefit of the DH "movement" if you will, to clarify this, labels and all, so people do not try it, and give up because it didn't work. Because then they will tell their friends. And then CNS or CBL becomes another "new diet" that fades in history because people tried it (thinking they were doing it right) and it didn't yeild results.I would like to figure,Goal weight is "125" after fat loss.Current weight "140"I eat "x" in calories of fat: "y" in calories of protein daily.My carb nite should have "z" calories or grams of carbohydrate based on either goal weight or current weight.THEN TWEAK IT after this formula is figured out, giving it some time.I'm going to go to my CNS book and see if this ratio is in there.Perhaps CNS is 1:1 in G, and CBL is 0.5:1 Thank you to those who are spending the time to clarify.
I think it should be stated, that these aren't clarifications in the sense that this is what the diet is all about.I believe for most doing CNS the 1:1 ratio for Protein and fat GRAMS is primarily what you SHOULD be doingThe 1:1 CALORIE guideline is for those who are already quite lean, and looking to go for that sub 5% BF goal (very few people).I would warn severe calorie restriction is a very short term solution to lose fat. I've been there, and if you think it is difficult now to lose fat, it gets even harder when you first have to get your metabolism to not resemble a heroine addict's.
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