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    MagnumT
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    Lets say if I weight train 3days a week (mon,wed,fri)With one strongman event day (sat)2-3 days of mma training (tues,thurs, and a third floating day)1-2 days of sprinting ( floating )Only non weight training days are tues/thurs/sun That for SA I would backload the 4nights a week of weight training, and 3days ULC ? On the backload nights with my weight of 187+ my carb ceiling is approx. 500-600g's of CHO's ? Im asking cause im going on 3-4 weeks of CBL/SA, and tho my strength has been up, ive had a slow and insidious weight gain (183lbs-190lbs). The most carbs I ever get in a backload are around 250g's (both clean and junky carbs).Should I cut out a night of backloading , and/or keep my carbs totally clean, if I wanted to drop more bodyfat ? Would I also not be loosing more weight cause my carbs are not high enogh ?

    #86181

    Richard Schmitt
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    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    #86182

    MagnumT
    Member

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies  ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.

    #86183

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies  ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.

    Uhh...by what you just said, I don't think you read or own the book, or even read some of the fourms here. Because you know the foods you mentioned should be avoided. Well your "cleaner" recommendations.

    #86184

    MagnumT
    Member

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies  ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.

    Uhh...by what you just said, I don't think you read or own the book, or even read some of the fourms here. Because you know the foods you mentioned should be avoided. Well your "cleaner" recommendations.

    I own the book, and Im just trying to understand what you ment when you said to figure out what carbs work for you. I know the book says to avoid brown rice, whole wheat ex.. because of the longer insulin spike, and that faster carbs cause a shorter, but real sharp spike wich is desirible PWO. So then Im going to avoid that "cleaner" carbs, and just keep widdling down my total carb intake per backload and see if I start dropping.

    #86185

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies  ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.

    Uhh...by what you just said, I don't think you read or own the book, or even read some of the fourms here. Because you know the foods you mentioned should be avoided. Well your "cleaner" recommendations.

    I own the book, and Im just trying to understand what you ment when you said to figure out what carbs work for you. I know the book says to avoid brown rice, whole wheat ex.. because of the longer insulin spike, and that faster carbs cause a shorter, but real sharp spike wich is desirible PWO. So then Im going to avoid that "cleaner" carbs, and just keep widdling down my total carb intake per backload and see if I start dropping.

    Cleaner Carbs in our case is white rice, sticky rice, jasmine rice, white bread, potatoes, and sweet potatoes. Another option is low fat/low sugar cereal, low fat pancakes/waffles, homemade desserts.

    #86186

    masZUL
    Participant

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    Wouldn't he want to back load on the evenings before he trains?  I thought back loading isn't done for that day's training but for the next day.  So he'd back load Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday so that he has the glycogen stores full for his lifting on m/w/f. 

    #86187

    pshannon
    Member

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    Wouldn't he want to back load on the evenings before he trains?  I thought back loading isn't done for that day's training but for the next day.  So he'd back load Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday so that he has the glycogen stores full for his lifting on m/w/f.

    No...just nothe book is only 57 dollars now, go buy

    #86188

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Yes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.

    Wouldn't he want to back load on the evenings before he trains?  I thought back loading isn't done for that day's training but for the next day.  So he'd back load Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday so that he has the glycogen stores full for his lifting on m/w/f.

    What? No? You don't backload before training, unless he lifts in the morning. That's why I specifically said to backload after lifting in the evenings. Kinda defeats the whole purpose bud.

    #86189

    CaseyD
    Member

    I think he just means the day before, which, depending on goals and circumstances, is perfectly acceptable. Sunday, for instance, might be a good night for a backload, but the days in between (Tues, Thurs), probably not.

    #86190

    pshannon
    Member

    I think he just means the day before, which, depending on goals and circumstances, is perfectly acceptable. Sunday, for instance, might be a good night for a backload, but the days in between (Tues, Thurs), probably not.

    GOAL is to drop BF...so no just no. Don't backload Sunday, backload ONLY after weight training.

    #86191

    CaseyD
    Member

    If we are looking to keep things in absolutes to make it easier, then yes, only backload after training days. However, to say that you cannot/will not drop BF by backloading on certain off days, you have shown a lack of understanding of the diet. To be fair, I don't know body composition and haven't actually seen training, so like I said above, I agree with a simple answer of only backload after training.

    #86192

    pshannon
    Member

    I'm not even going to respond to such an ignorant comment. Tread softly

    #86193

    CaseyD
    Member

    I believe that is actually a response. Sarcasm aside, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to tread softly about. In fact, I even agreed with you by saying that if speaking only in absolutes, then ONLY backloading on training days was spot on.

    #86194

    pshannon
    Member

    If we are looking to keep things in absolutes to make it easier, then yes, only backload after training days. However, to say that you cannot/will not drop BF by backloading on certain off days, you have shown a lack of understanding of the diet. To be fair, I don't know body composition and haven't actually seen training, so like I said above, I agree with a simple answer of only backload after training.

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