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October 1, 2012 at 6:14 pm #4341
MagnumTMemberLets say if I weight train 3days a week (mon,wed,fri)With one strongman event day (sat)2-3 days of mma training (tues,thurs, and a third floating day)1-2 days of sprinting ( floating )Only non weight training days are tues/thurs/sun That for SA I would backload the 4nights a week of weight training, and 3days ULC ? On the backload nights with my weight of 187+ my carb ceiling is approx. 500-600g's of CHO's ? Im asking cause im going on 3-4 weeks of CBL/SA, and tho my strength has been up, ive had a slow and insidious weight gain (183lbs-190lbs). The most carbs I ever get in a backload are around 250g's (both clean and junky carbs).Should I cut out a night of backloading , and/or keep my carbs totally clean, if I wanted to drop more bodyfat ? Would I also not be loosing more weight cause my carbs are not high enogh ?
October 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm #86181
Richard SchmittModeratorYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
October 2, 2012 at 2:26 am #86182
MagnumTMemberYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.
October 2, 2012 at 11:26 am #86183
Richard SchmittModeratorYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.
Uhh...by what you just said, I don't think you read or own the book, or even read some of the fourms here. Because you know the foods you mentioned should be avoided. Well your "cleaner" recommendations.
October 2, 2012 at 4:47 pm #86184
MagnumTMemberYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.
Uhh...by what you just said, I don't think you read or own the book, or even read some of the fourms here. Because you know the foods you mentioned should be avoided. Well your "cleaner" recommendations.
I own the book, and Im just trying to understand what you ment when you said to figure out what carbs work for you. I know the book says to avoid brown rice, whole wheat ex.. because of the longer insulin spike, and that faster carbs cause a shorter, but real sharp spike wich is desirible PWO. So then Im going to avoid that "cleaner" carbs, and just keep widdling down my total carb intake per backload and see if I start dropping.
October 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm #86185
Richard SchmittModeratorYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
I hear you, Im thinking maybe I should focus on "cleaner" carbs ( oatmeal, potato's, rice, eziekiel bread,) as opposed to cookies, pie, ice cream etc....well...maybe just a few cookies ;D , or just doing 2-3 total backloads a week. I remember doing CNS, and tho I was loosing fat, I felt flat, and had no explosiveness in my lifts/training. Everything became tougher, and I lost a bit of strength. Its hard trying to find a medium.
Uhh...by what you just said, I don't think you read or own the book, or even read some of the fourms here. Because you know the foods you mentioned should be avoided. Well your "cleaner" recommendations.
I own the book, and Im just trying to understand what you ment when you said to figure out what carbs work for you. I know the book says to avoid brown rice, whole wheat ex.. because of the longer insulin spike, and that faster carbs cause a shorter, but real sharp spike wich is desirible PWO. So then Im going to avoid that "cleaner" carbs, and just keep widdling down my total carb intake per backload and see if I start dropping.
Cleaner Carbs in our case is white rice, sticky rice, jasmine rice, white bread, potatoes, and sweet potatoes. Another option is low fat/low sugar cereal, low fat pancakes/waffles, homemade desserts.
October 3, 2012 at 12:25 pm #86186
masZULParticipantYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
Wouldn't he want to back load on the evenings before he trains? I thought back loading isn't done for that day's training but for the next day. So he'd back load Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday so that he has the glycogen stores full for his lifting on m/w/f.
October 3, 2012 at 12:30 pm #86187
pshannonMemberYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
Wouldn't he want to back load on the evenings before he trains? I thought back loading isn't done for that day's training but for the next day. So he'd back load Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday so that he has the glycogen stores full for his lifting on m/w/f.
No...just nothe book is only 57 dollars now, go buy
October 3, 2012 at 1:13 pm #86188
Richard SchmittModeratorYes you ideally backload in the evening after lifting in the evenings. Getting in 500-600g at a time can work but depends on how hard you train and lean. You have to go by that max amount and dial it down if need be. Just do hit 500g if training was half assed. You also have to find which carbs work best for you.
Wouldn't he want to back load on the evenings before he trains? I thought back loading isn't done for that day's training but for the next day. So he'd back load Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday so that he has the glycogen stores full for his lifting on m/w/f.
What? No? You don't backload before training, unless he lifts in the morning. That's why I specifically said to backload after lifting in the evenings. Kinda defeats the whole purpose bud.
October 3, 2012 at 1:26 pm #86189
CaseyDMemberI think he just means the day before, which, depending on goals and circumstances, is perfectly acceptable. Sunday, for instance, might be a good night for a backload, but the days in between (Tues, Thurs), probably not.
October 3, 2012 at 1:30 pm #86190
pshannonMemberI think he just means the day before, which, depending on goals and circumstances, is perfectly acceptable. Sunday, for instance, might be a good night for a backload, but the days in between (Tues, Thurs), probably not.
GOAL is to drop BF...so no just no. Don't backload Sunday, backload ONLY after weight training.
October 3, 2012 at 6:37 pm #86191
CaseyDMemberIf we are looking to keep things in absolutes to make it easier, then yes, only backload after training days. However, to say that you cannot/will not drop BF by backloading on certain off days, you have shown a lack of understanding of the diet. To be fair, I don't know body composition and haven't actually seen training, so like I said above, I agree with a simple answer of only backload after training.
October 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm #86192
pshannonMemberI'm not even going to respond to such an ignorant comment. Tread softly
October 3, 2012 at 7:51 pm #86193
CaseyDMemberI believe that is actually a response. Sarcasm aside, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to tread softly about. In fact, I even agreed with you by saying that if speaking only in absolutes, then ONLY backloading on training days was spot on.
October 3, 2012 at 7:53 pm #86194
pshannonMemberIf we are looking to keep things in absolutes to make it easier, then yes, only backload after training days. However, to say that you cannot/will not drop BF by backloading on certain off days, you have shown a lack of understanding of the diet. To be fair, I don't know body composition and haven't actually seen training, so like I said above, I agree with a simple answer of only backload after training.
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