Finished Preparation Phase and starting CBL – need schedule help

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    sculnan
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    Just completing Preparation Phase after purchasing and reading book and I am soon starting CBL. Just some quick schedule questions. I compete in powerlifting and here is my lifting schedule with times:Monday: offTuesday: lift at 5:30pmWednesday: offThursday: lift at 5:30pmFriday: offSaturday: lift at 9:30amSunday: offShould I CBL on Tuesday night, Thursday night, Friday night(for Saturday AM workout) and Saturday night?Saturday pre-workout would be just caffeine?Thanks in advance.

    #77510

    I think the book covers this. It gives example workouts & tells you when you might backload on an off day.Hell if you're bulking you could back-load every day.

    #77511

    Lesli Bortz
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    Just completing Preparation Phase after purchasing and reading book and I am soon starting CBL. Just some quick schedule questions. I compete in powerlifting and here is my lifting schedule with times:Monday: offTuesday: lift at 5:30pmWednesday: offThursday: lift at 5:30pmFriday: offSaturday: lift at 9:30amSunday: offShould I CBL on Tuesday night yes, Thursday night yes, Friday night yes (for Saturday AM workout) and Saturday night why??Like the other comment - if you're doing DB then you would CBL every night. If you're doing SA then it would be the first three UNLESS you feel you need/want an extra CBL on Saturday.Saturday pre-workout would be just caffeine? Yes, with coconut oil (or as far as I've last heard...this seems to change...)Thanks in advance.

    #77512

    Brandon D Christ
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    Do not take coconut oil if you intend to train fasted, just caffeine and water.

    #77513

    Lesli Bortz
    Participant

    Ugh….SO while you're here...what if it's at the 12-14 hour mark?

    #77514

    Brandon D Christ
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    Ugh....SO while you're here...what if it's at the 12-14 hour mark?

    You are in a gray area unfortunately.  Personally I would still fast and do the workout, but thats just me.

    #77515

    Ugh....SO while you're here...what if it's at the 12-14 hour mark?

    You are in a gray area unfortunately.  Personally I would still fast and do the workout, but thats just me.

    I'd agree with Ibobland on this one.The hormonal benefit from training fasted is hard to pass up, and since we don't know the effect MCT's would have on it I wouldn't want to risk it.

    #77516

    Lesli Bortz
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    Ok – sounds good to me. So then (if you don't mind me stealing this thread for a few minutes)My generic schedule is as follows:9:00 am - Train with coffee11:00am - PWO shake - blend H/hydro whey/creatine/leucine1:00pm - bacon/beef/cheese/fish oil2:00pm-9:00pm - work9:30pm - bacon/beef/cheese OR CBL, depending on training next morningDo I even need coconut oil at all...??

    #77517

    Brandon D Christ
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    Ok - sounds good to me. So then (if you don't mind me stealing this thread for a few minutes)My generic schedule is as follows:9:00 am - Train with coffee11:00am - PWO shake - blend H/hydro whey/creatine/leucine1:00pm - bacon/beef/cheese/fish oil2:00pm-9:00pm - work9:30pm - bacon/beef/cheese OR CBL, depending on training next morningDo I even need coconut oil at all...??

    Put 30 g of carbs in your post workout shake.  And from what it looks like, no, I don't see a use for supplemental coconut oil on days you intend to do the fasted training.  Although it is a good fat so feel free to use it with ULC meals.

    #77518

    Lesli Bortz
    Participant

    That would be the super-ripe banana right…is there any other efficient quick carb? Kiefer stated that women can skip the carbs in the PWO but I do have a crazy workout so I'd be willing to try and see what it does.Thank you.(And I'm kind of glad to not use it - I know it's good but I have more fat than protein since buying the 75/25 grass-fed beef....it's like 25fat 18protein and fish oil knocks it up so it looks like I can just keep it for future use!)

    #77519

    Brandon D Christ
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    That would be the super-ripe banana right...is there any other efficient quick carb? Kiefer stated that women can skip the carbs in the PWO but I do have a crazy workout so I'd be willing to try and see what it does.Thank you.(And I'm kind of glad to not use it - I know it's good but I have more fat than protein since buying the 75/25 grass-fed beef....it's like 25fat 18protein and fish oil knocks it up so it looks like I can just keep it for future use!)

    Yes a large super ripe banana would be good, but dextrose or rilose would be best.  I am not sure, but when Kiefer said women might be better off skipping PWO carbs I think he meant if you train in the afternoon, where you start backloading after the workout.  The whole point of training fasted is to get double anabolic response from the post workout carbs.  With no carbs, you don't get this effect.Don't forget to jack up insulin as high as you can the night before.

    #77520

    Lesli Bortz
    Participant

    Ok – so one can buy dextrose powder correct?And I'm having carb issues (log has been nuts) so I don't think I'm under-doing carbs the nights before I train but MAYBE adding dextrose to CBL will help...?

    #77521

    sculnan
    Guest

    Just completing Preparation Phase after purchasing and reading book and I am soon starting CBL. Just some quick schedule questions. I compete in powerlifting and here is my lifting schedule with times:Monday: offTuesday: lift at 5:30pmWednesday: offThursday: lift at 5:30pmFriday: offSaturday: lift at 9:30amSunday: offShould I CBL on Tuesday night yes, Thursday night yes, Friday night yes (for Saturday AM workout) and Saturday night why??Like the other comment - if you're doing DB then you would CBL every night. If you're doing SA then it would be the first three UNLESS you feel you need/want an extra CBL on Saturday.Saturday pre-workout would be just caffeine? Yes, with coconut oil (or as far as I've last heard...this seems to change...)Thanks in advance.

    Just curious as to why you would question the Saturday CBL? My glycogen would be depleted and I would need to restore.Not challenging..just new to CBL and asking.Thanks for your response

    #77522

    Brandon D Christ
    Participant

    Ok - so one can buy dextrose powder correct?And I'm having carb issues (log has been nuts) so I don't think I'm under-doing carbs the nights before I train but MAYBE adding dextrose to CBL will help...?

    Yea you can buy dextrose powder, it is really cheap.  I didn't mean eat as many carbs as possible, just try to make them as glycemic as you can.

    #77523

    Brandon D Christ
    Participant

    Just completing Preparation Phase after purchasing and reading book and I am soon starting CBL. Just some quick schedule questions. I compete in powerlifting and here is my lifting schedule with times:Monday: offTuesday: lift at 5:30pmWednesday: offThursday: lift at 5:30pmFriday: offSaturday: lift at 9:30amSunday: offShould I CBL on Tuesday night yes, Thursday night yes, Friday night yes (for Saturday AM workout) and Saturday night why??Like the other comment - if you're doing DB then you would CBL every night. If you're doing SA then it would be the first three UNLESS you feel you need/want an extra CBL on Saturday.Saturday pre-workout would be just caffeine? Yes, with coconut oil (or as far as I've last heard...this seems to change...)Thanks in advance.

    Just curious as to why you would question the Saturday CBL? My glycogen would be depleted and I would need to restore.Not challenging..just new to CBL and asking.Thanks for your response

    Your backload on Friday night is your "morning workout's backload", so you don't get a backload Saturday night.  However, you should have a small backload Monday night because I went low carb  for almost three days so you have some glycogen for Tuesday's workout.

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