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No havent resorted to counting calories yet, i dont have a problem eating the same things day in day out and at the same time so i know my macros in terms of grams of carbs, protein & fats. But the actual amount of calories i've never really looked at. Do you count them yourself?
Yes. If you're trying to lose bodyfate, counting calories is a must.EDIT: body fat*
i highly disagree.. yes it can help some people but is not required in the least to lose bodyfat
No havent resorted to counting calories yet, i dont have a problem eating the same things day in day out and at the same time so i know my macros in terms of grams of carbs, protein & fats. But the actual amount of calories i've never really looked at. Do you count them yourself?
Yes. If you're trying to lose bodyfate, counting calories is a must.EDIT: body fat*
i highly disagree.. yes it can help some people but is not required in the least to lose bodyfat
If you want to fly blind that's up to you.
No havent resorted to counting calories yet, i dont have a problem eating the same things day in day out and at the same time so i know my macros in terms of grams of carbs, protein & fats. But the actual amount of calories i've never really looked at. Do you count them yourself?
Yes. If you're trying to lose bodyfate, counting calories is a must.EDIT: body fat*
i highly disagree.. yes it can help some people but is not required in the least to lose bodyfat
If you want to fly blind that's up to you.
not about flying blind its the fact that calories in does not equal calories out so you can't just put numbers in there based on simple things like lbm and hope to come out with a formula to lose or gain weight
Right but by counting you can find your number at this moment, and have an idea of your needs. And if you stall, you have a number to increase or decrease.
Right but by counting you can find your number at this moment, and have an idea of your needs. And if you stall, you have a number to increase or decrease.
and this has been shown time and time again in clinical studies to not work.. they have put very obese people down to about 1k calories a day or less and they did not lose much weight at all.. many studies were done over hundred years ago when starvation and famine was much more common and more recently with many animal studies showing obese individuals or animals that had starved to death and still retained a very high body fat %.. one interesting study was done on hibernating animals who were put on a starvation diet just prior to their annual hibernation time. These animals would still gain an incredible amount of fat even with just hardly enough food to keep them alive. I know it's an animal study but similar tests have been done on humans showing how many individuals will maintain or even gain weight even when put on a diet that would be considered semi-starvation.....a lot more is going on than a simple x calories = weight gain and x = fat loss for someone.. but again for some people this may work but statistically it's been shown it does not for the majority of people trying to lose weightsay your eating 2000 calories a day and can't lose any weight at 250lbs.. so you drop that by 300 a day.. you lose a couple pounds but again stall for many weeks.. so you drop again you are now down to 1400 calories a day at maybe around 240lbs and you stall again what do you do? go down 1000 calories a day or even lower(pretty much semi- starving the person) at over 200lbs? this is what happens time and time again and shown in tons of research on obesity over the past 100 years
I know all this stuff, but if you stall at 250lbs with 2000cals a day, your metabolism is fucked up. You want to restore it. For a "standard" metabolism going +/- 20% from maintenance should be enough for any goal. Little less or more promptly.
I know all this stuff, but if you stall at 250lbs with 2000cals a day, your metabolism is fucked up. You want to restore it. For a "standard" metabolism going +/- 20% from maintenance should be enough for any goal. Little less or more promptly.
This is a huge generalization and not necessarily true in a majority of situations.You can lose fat in a caloric surplus, just like you can gain muscle in a bit of a deficit. So many factors influence these things it's damn naive to think calories have that much power.I'm 100% with Sano's views.
How you know you are in a caloric surplus if you dont count ?I know it's a huge generalization but like say you starve at 1000cals. For a period and a diet type, your total can change, but you have a "total" and it can be helpful to know it. When someone eat a 1:1 ratio P:F and we say to cut it to 1:0.7 for example. That's cutting cals too. Some people will go very well with a very high fat diet, others no. Depend on your metabolism.
How you know you are in a caloric surplus if you dont count ?I know it's a huge generalization but like say you starve at 1000cals. For a period and a diet type, your total can change, but you have a "total" and it can be helpful to know it. When someone eat a 1:1 ratio P:F and we say to cut it to 1:0.7 for example. That's cutting cals too. Some people will go very well with a very high fat diet, others no. Depend on your metabolism.
another bit of research i have read through is about the History of Human starvation... some interesting things talked about were peoples metabolism and how starvation effects it.. in many studies there was very little change in the persons metabolism even faced with starvation. This of course goes against what most of the theories on your bodies metabolism being lowered to compensate for lack of food. They showed that the bodies fluid retention and distrabution went all out of whack though which cause edema among other issues.. but like almost everything i have read on the subject there's conflicting studies and information on what people see or conclude in their research... really i feel at the end of the day people need to just try differen't things and find what works for them because there is just so much conflict when it comes to the science of weight loss and muscle building.. if counting works for you then that's great I feel it's a waist of time and that works for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysoScJ2Q5RQI would say watch/listen to the whole thing, but if you don't have time, tune into 15:32. Just talking about decreasing calories for weight loss and what happens. Very interesting stuff. Not "exactly" what you guys are talking about, but I would say still relevant? Someone posted this recently and I'm enjoying listening to it.Makes me glad I never got tied up in all that calorie counting.
::)Oh off-topic, thread-jacking debates how I love thee. Thee...thees? Thies? NAILED IT!
https://one.body.io/forums/topic/inchxinch-b2b-log-were-in-hell-gentlemen/
How you know you are in a caloric surplus if you dont count ?
Two things.. if I'm making progress toward whatever goal I may have, fat loss, bulking, adding weight to my squat, etc.. Why would I give a shit if I'm in a surplus/deficit/eucaloric?Second thing.. How do you know that you're in a surplus/deficit/eucaloric anyway? There is no actual formula to tell us exactly how many kcal we are burning in a day. It's all estimates and guess work.I don't think anyone is saying calories don't matter. They do. They just aren't NEARLY as important as other things. Food quality being an example, and possibly the largest influence.
Look, you don't have to count calories, but saying “cutting calories doesn't work” is foolish if we are talking about people with normal metabolisms. I personally lost 40 lbs by simply just eating 1500 calories a day. While that sounds like a sin to some of you that are on “team low carb”, there really is more than one way to skin a cat.In general, reduced food intake will result in fat loss.
Look, you don't have to count calories, but saying "cutting calories doesn't work" is foolish if we are talking about people with normal metabolisms. I personally lost 40 lbs by simply just eating 1500 calories a day. While that sounds like a sin to some of you that are on "team low carb", there really is more than one way to skin a cat.In general, reduced food intake will result in fat loss.
Precisely.. But nobody said that. What was said is that "counting calories is a must" in order to lose. Which is completely false.
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