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Yea I know skiely does that but that's his thing. The poster used the word "research" so I thought he may have seen it in some sort of study.While its good to have a starting point, I think people need to learn to determine their own carb needs. It is very variable so that's why I don't like carb recommendations.
Sorry bro I did some googling around how's that 🙂
Personally I don't. It's only 60g and I have been doing this for almost a year now and pretty much know what I can get away with based on my workout. The post workout shake only gets the ball rolling and produces the insulin spike, the backload is what provides the bulk of the glycogen. Trevor and Ibob are also VERY knowledgeable so listen to what they say. They may have a different opinion and you need many different ideas to figure out what works for you.RB
I hope I didn't come off as a jerk ? I'm just a noob here learning from you guys so I appreciate the comments. Thanks everyone
It's ALWAYS better to start low and work up rather than overshoot the mark and eat too much.
I totally agree with this approach. Start lower as there are no terrible downsides to undershooting carb needs. There are more risks with working your way down than working your way up. I also think it's a lot easier to find the sweet spot when you slowly increase your carb numbers.Also, Kiefer appears to, at least in my case, advise doing that too(contrary to what was said in the book, at least I think he mentions going overboard to start in the book). I was DB'ing and putting on fat too quickly. He suggested that I start at half of my estimated carb needs and then every two weeks readjust depending on how my BF is changing; either hold the carb count where it is or increase by 50g if losing fat. There was slightly more to it, but that was the gist. Again, that was his advice for DB'ing for my situation, but I personally think it's good advice for most peoples goals with CBL.
It's ALWAYS better to start low and work up rather than overshoot the mark and eat too much.
I totally agree with this approach. Start lower as there are no terrible downsides to undershooting carb needs. There are more risks with working your way down than working your way up. I also think it's a lot easier to find the sweet spot when you slowly increase your carb numbers.Also, Kiefer appears to, at least in my case, advise doing that too(contrary to what was said in the book, at least I think he mentions going overboard to start in the book). I was DB'ing and putting on fat too quickly. He suggested that I start at half of my estimated carb needs and then every two weeks readjust depending on how my BF is changing; either hold the carb count where it is or increase by 50g if losing fat. There was slightly more to it, but that was the gist. Again, that was his advice for DB'ing for my situation, but I personally think it's good advice for most peoples goals with CBL.
I think it's better to shoot higher. Your workout performance plummets when you don't have enough carbs. The only time I would recommend that you undershoot is if you are highly aesthetically focused. I admit a great deal of people are, but you have to realize people have other goals
I don't know why but I got the impression that the OP was doing SA. That's why I came at it from the “bottom up” approach.RB
I don't know why but I got the impression that the OP was doing SA. That's why I came at it from the "bottom up" approach.RB
Even if he was, I would still suggest he overshoot. Unless he is one of those people who really should be on Carb Nite, but do CBL because he wants to eat carbs more often.
Fair enough. Maybe overshoot for a month or 2 and re assess. If the results are positive then continue. If you are gaining fat or are looking horrible then dial it down. Either way the key to success with this whole thing is self assessment and a willingness to learn. Let your body tell you what is working and don't be afraid to go high or low depending on what happens.RB
Fair enough. Maybe overshoot for a month or 2 and re assess. If the results are positive then continue. If you are gaining fat or are looking horrible then dial it down. Either way the key to success with this whole thing is self assessment and a willingness to learn. Let your body tell you what is working and don't be afraid to go high or low depending on what happens.RB
For two months? You should be able to figure it out in two weeks.
I would be able to figure it out in first week, but I always hesitate to give people that kind of advice. Longer term gives you more data and most people over react in the short term. But regardless, the bottom line is not to be afraid to experiment.RB
It's ALWAYS better to start low and work up rather than overshoot the mark and eat too much.
I totally agree with this approach. Start lower as there are no terrible downsides to undershooting carb needs. There are more risks with working your way down than working your way up. I also think it's a lot easier to find the sweet spot when you slowly increase your carb numbers.Also, Kiefer appears to, at least in my case, advise doing that too(contrary to what was said in the book, at least I think he mentions going overboard to start in the book). I was DB'ing and putting on fat too quickly. He suggested that I start at half of my estimated carb needs and then every two weeks readjust depending on how my BF is changing; either hold the carb count where it is or increase by 50g if losing fat. There was slightly more to it, but that was the gist. Again, that was his advice for DB'ing for my situation, but I personally think it's good advice for most peoples goals with CBL.
I think it's better to shoot higher. Your workout performance plummets when you don't have enough carbs. The only time I would recommend that you undershoot is if you are highly aesthetically focused. I admit a great deal of people are, but you have to realize people have other goals
Absolutely, if performance is the main goal then overshooting to start is definitely the way to go. I personally think that noticing a decrease in workout performance is much easier to gauge and can be corrected much quicker though; I'm still of the opinion that overshooting to start is really only beneficial for powerlifters.
It's ALWAYS better to start low and work up rather than overshoot the mark and eat too much.
I totally agree with this approach. Start lower as there are no terrible downsides to undershooting carb needs. There are more risks with working your way down than working your way up. I also think it's a lot easier to find the sweet spot when you slowly increase your carb numbers.Also, Kiefer appears to, at least in my case, advise doing that too(contrary to what was said in the book, at least I think he mentions going overboard to start in the book). I was DB'ing and putting on fat too quickly. He suggested that I start at half of my estimated carb needs and then every two weeks readjust depending on how my BF is changing; either hold the carb count where it is or increase by 50g if losing fat. There was slightly more to it, but that was the gist. Again, that was his advice for DB'ing for my situation, but I personally think it's good advice for most peoples goals with CBL.
I think it's better to shoot higher. Your workout performance plummets when you don't have enough carbs. The only time I would recommend that you undershoot is if you are highly aesthetically focused. I admit a great deal of people are, but you have to realize people have other goals
Absolutely, if performance is the main goal then overshooting to start is definitely the way to go. I personally think that noticing a decrease in workout performance is much easier to gauge and can be corrected much quicker though; I'm still of the opinion that overshooting to start is really only beneficial for powerlifters.
It's not just powerlifters, even bodybuilders would benefit from it. You aren't going to put on much muscle if your undereating and not having solid workouts. I think the only people who should overshoot are those whom are more concerned about fat loss than anything else. Personally I think those people should be on Carb Nite, but CBL is appropriate for some.Either way it doesn't matter too much. You should be able to sort everything out in a week or two after the prep phase.
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