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June 25, 2013 at 9:33 pm #8820
Christopher NowitzkeMemberFruit is one of the healthiest foods you can eat. It comes straight from nature to your plate. It doesn't get much better then that.I see here that it's not recommended for backloading and that's fine. But when can I include these things in my diet? No one is going to tell me fruit is bad. That's ridiculous. Maybe bad for backloading, but not bad for health.Any ideas?
June 25, 2013 at 9:36 pm #186895
GnomerParticipantnot everything from nature is good for you.. fruit didn't bode well for adam & Eve :P..if you need to eat fruit either use very HI GI fruit on backloads like spotted bananas and dates or sparingly use low GI fruit in the afternoon on ULC days like cherries and grapefruit
June 25, 2013 at 9:38 pm #186896
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorFruit isn't magically healthy by any means. Everything you can get from fruit you can get from veggies without the sugar loads, which depending on the fruit you're eating could be a lot.
June 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm #186892
Christopher NowitzkeMemberFruit's loaded with phytonutrients, phenols, vitamins and minerals in their usable form, etc. I could go on.
June 25, 2013 at 9:59 pm #186893
thrivefulMemberAnd fructose, which is ok for some folks, but is also associated with non alcoholic fatty liver disease. Likely due to all the HFCS etc, but fructose is not a great sugar, even if it is in a 'natural' product
June 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm #186894
Gl;itch.eMemberIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
June 25, 2013 at 10:08 pm #186889
GnomerParticipantFruit's loaded with phytonutrients, phenols, vitamins and minerals in their usable form, etc. I could go on.
most of which you can get from other sources.. a lot of fruit is also heavily cross bred to increase yields and be more resistant to the environment much like wheat.. also unless you are growing your own you have no idea what sort of chemicals and pesticides were sprayed on them while they were growing.. usually organic is a "safer" bet but not always.. not saying fruit doesn't have its uses and good things in it but it also isn't without its negatives.. pure maple syrup is natural and loaded with various nutrients that are supposed to be good for you but it's also loaded with sugar.. again though it's ok in small amounts
June 25, 2013 at 10:13 pm #186890
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
I have no real issues with fructose outside of agave or liquid forms.I have an issues with people claiming some magical health benefit of fruit when vegetables can give you all the same benefits without the sugar or calories.
June 25, 2013 at 10:15 pm #186891
GnomerParticipantIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
couple resources I read recently on fructose The Fat Switch and The Sugar Fix.. has tons of information on how fructose acts inside the body and why its best to avoid.. but again if you have no issues keep on truckin
June 25, 2013 at 10:59 pm #186888
Gl;itch.eMemberIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
couple resources I read recently on fructose The Fat Switch and The Sugar Fix.. has tons of information on how fructose acts inside the body and why its best to avoid.. but again if you have no issues keep on truckin
Yeah well thats the problem isnt it. Theres plenty of counter research to refute that as well. You basically have to make up your own mind and use your own health markers as the litmus test. Ive read a lot of bad stuff about starches effect in the body. You have to draw a line somewhere (or better yet keep your mind open and keep experimenting) and just go with what works and makes the most sense to you for your situation. Otherwise you are going to fear everything. It's food. You shouldnt fear food. If you stay away from processed man-made foods almost everything else should be fair game if approached sensibly.
June 25, 2013 at 11:03 pm #186886
Gl;itch.eMemberIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
I have no real issues with fructose outside of agave or liquid forms.I have an issues with people claiming some magical health benefit of fruit when vegetables can give you all the same benefits without the sugar or calories.
I dont know if thats necessarily true either. Just because we've heard people say it doesnt mean its true. Its probably been dumbed down to make things easier on us. There are so many countless undiscovered nutrients and co-factors in different foods that its just ridiculous to say that you can do without a whole category of food. Thats not to say you cant survive and maybe even thrive without particular foods, just that we do not know everything we are ingesting or missing out on through restrictive diets.
June 25, 2013 at 11:08 pm #186887
GnomerParticipantIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
couple resources I read recently on fructose The Fat Switch and The Sugar Fix.. has tons of information on how fructose acts inside the body and why its best to avoid.. but again if you have no issues keep on truckin
Yeah well thats the problem isnt it. Theres plenty of counter research to refute that as well. You basically have to make up your own mind and use your own health markers as the litmus test. Ive read a lot of bad stuff about starches effect in the body. You have to draw a line somewhere (or better yet keep your mind open and keep experimenting) and just go with what works and makes the most sense to you for your situation. Otherwise you are going to fear everything. It's food. You shouldnt fear food. If you stay away from processed man-made foods almost everything else should be fair game if approached sensibly.
i agree you do just need to experiment and see what works best for you.. and for most experiments you can find several that may say the exact opposite so yea it is hard to find "the truth" just by reading studies and research a lot of the time....one thing on processed foods its hard to say what's processed and what's not.. most things these days are processed or cross bred or genetically altered.. some foods worse than others with wheat being about the worst as far as genetically altered..generally staying away from heavily processed stuff like the majority of pre-packaged goods is a good step to take though for general health.. if it was so easy to just "eat healthy" we wouldn't be in the ever increasing obesity epidemic we are currently in...
June 25, 2013 at 11:38 pm #186885
Christopher NowitzkeMemberIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
I have no real issues with fructose outside of agave or liquid forms.I have an issues with people claiming some magical health benefit of fruit when vegetables can give you all the same benefits without the sugar or calories.
Who claimed magical benefits from fruit?
June 26, 2013 at 12:43 am #186897
samuel r walkerParticipant^^If you like fruit, have some.. I eat it with most backloads solely bc I enjoy it, still wake up tight and full the following morning.
June 26, 2013 at 12:51 am #186898
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorIMO you can have fruit whenever youd normally have carbs. But dont use them as your sole carb source. A few pieces of fruit over a backload is fine providing theyre not all you are getting your carbs from. I myself have fruit on my smaller backloads on off days. The fear of fructose is overwhelming! unless you are drinking straight fructose by the gallon and are sedentary as hell with absolutely no brain activity I dont see how small amounts (relative to the rest of the carb makeup) can pose a problem for anyone. If an apple is stalling your fatloss you have other problems.
I have no real issues with fructose outside of agave or liquid forms.I have an issues with people claiming some magical health benefit of fruit when vegetables can give you all the same benefits without the sugar or calories.
Who claimed magical benefits from fruit?
No one here, it's just a pet peeve of mine that I hear a lot from people in the fitness world.
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