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If you listen to superhuman radip podcast week or so ago, they have dcientific studys saying 10g of fructose combined with glucose actually increases glycogen resynthesis so fruit it up until you see it does what you not desire
Maybe there's something to this because I swear I get better results when I eat some sugary crap instead of just starch and dextrose. However, I think you are better off getting your fructose from donuts, not fruit 😛
Fruit is better than the sugared crap (Sucrose/HFCS). I wouldn't be afraid of it. Apples are not what makes people fat.
That's because most people don't carb backload. What about fruit makes it better than what you call sugared crap? Sugar is sugar and I'd rather choose a food that produces a more ideal insulin response than an apple.
Dude check out that episode its even "scientificly" backed up which kiefer likes, was a really good episode one of the best i heard, its been in the past 4 weeks and i think the docs name starts with e lol let me know wen u listen to it and post the link too! Lol
If you listen to superhuman radip podcast week or so ago, they have dcientific studys saying 10g of fructose combined with glucose actually increases glycogen resynthesis so fruit it up until you see it does what you not desire
Maybe there's something to this because I swear I get better results when I eat some sugary crap instead of just starch and dextrose. However, I think you are better off getting your fructose from donuts, not fruit 😛
Fruit is better than the sugared crap (Sucrose/HFCS). I wouldn't be afraid of it. Apples are not what makes people fat.
That's because most people don't carb backload. What about fruit makes it better than what you call sugared crap? Sugar is sugar and I'd rather choose a food that produces a more ideal insulin response than an apple.
Dude check out that episode its even "scientificly" backed up which kiefer likes, was a really good episode one of the best i heard, its been in the past 4 weeks and i think the docs name starts with e lol let me know wen u listen to it and post the link too! Lol
Is it 10g of fructose in a meal or 10 g of fructose per a certain amount of glucose? How is this supposed to work?
10g with your usual set amount of glucose or they said you could go 90% glucose 10% fructose
I go higher than that anyways.
Fruit is better than the sugared crap (Sucrose/HFCS). I wouldn't be afraid of it. Apples are not what makes people fat.
Fruit is essential fructose and fiber.Sucrose is 50% fructose.I don't see how you can say one is better than the other.
It makes a difference if it's processed/isolated fructose or naturally occurring fructose in fruit.I never said people should rely on fruit, but most people eat so many carbs that it makes no difference what kind of carb you eat additionally. There's no difference in terms of insulin release between eating 400 grams of white rice + a doughnut or eating the same amount of rice and fruit.
Fruit is better than the sugared crap (Sucrose/HFCS). I wouldn't be afraid of it. Apples are not what makes people fat.
Fruit is essential fructose and fiber.Sucrose is 50% fructose.I don't see how you can say one is better than the other.
It makes a difference if it's processed/isolated fructose or naturally occurring fructose in fruit.I never said people should rely on fruit, but most people eat so many carbs that it makes no difference what kind of carb you eat additionally. There's no difference in terms of insulin release between eating 400 grams of white rice + a doughnut or eating the same amount of rice and fruit.
You're right one or two pieces of fruit in the backload is not gonna kill you and may be beneficial from a health perspective. It's only a problem if you are getting all of your carbs from fruit.
So nothing in the CBL system appears flippant or hastily contrived. What I'm curious about though is why if our goal is to produce a sharp insulin spike post workout and get it cleared by bedtime wouldn't the suggestion call for maltodextrin, dextrose, something like that? Junk food is more fun and of course grabs attention but it doesn't just contain sugar as if in a vaccum; its sugar, undesirable fat, etc. I can say that I have accidentally stumbled upon the fact that if I'm staying low carb and I have a bender of a night with cake and ice cream I end up with razor sharp abs about 3 days later. But a daily carb blast consumption has never worked positively for me. Curious to hear holes poked in the idea of maltodextrin, dextrose, etc. I'll probably proceed with a once or twice weekly carb back load. Afterall the photographed success stories are good but not mind-blowing.
So nothing in the CBL system appears flippant or hastily contrived. What I'm curious about though is why if our goal is to produce a sharp insulin spike post workout and get it cleared by bedtime wouldn't the suggestion call for maltodextrin, dextrose, something like that? Junk food is more fun and of course grabs attention but it doesn't just contain sugar as if in a vaccum; its sugar, undesirable fat, etc. I can say that I have accidentally stumbled upon the fact that if I'm staying low carb and I have a bender of a night with cake and ice cream I end up with razor sharp abs about 3 days later. But a daily carb blast consumption has never worked positively for me. Curious to hear holes poked in the idea of maltodextrin, dextrose, etc. I'll probably proceed with a once or twice weekly carb back load. Afterall the photographed success stories are good but not mind-blowing.
You can have maltodextrin or dextrose PWO if you want. Junk food isn't required, it's just that junk food is fine in this situation and the results won't be different. By junkfood I mean sweets and fatty carbs. Consuming processed junk with lots of chemicals is not a good idea. There isn't anything wrong with enjoying your diet.Also the fat combined with the carbs isn't useless. Your muscles can store fat too, not just glycogen. I actually think it's better consume a large chunk of your fat intake with the carbs PWO so you can focus on burning more bodyfat when you are low carb. Then PWO you can partition the fat to your muscle cells. Fat also increases the insulin release from the carbs and can prevent you from going hypoglycemic.
I think it's the amount of fructose overall that you get that matters rather than what sources you get them from. So overripe bananas and I think grapes and mangoes are good as well because they are more glucose-based fruits with high insulin responses. Other than those, there's no real benefit to eating fruit from what I've seen. If you're having trouble with satiation, then maybe an apple would help in the context of a backload, but I'd rather see the carbs come from sweet potatoes or rice which will offer the satiation and the insulin response.
I think it's the amount of fructose overall that you get that matters rather than what sources you get them from. So overripe bananas and I think grapes and mangoes are good as well because they are more glucose-based fruits with high insulin responses. Other than those, there's no real benefit to eating fruit from what I've seen. If you're having trouble with satiation, then maybe an apple would help in the context of a backload, but I'd rather see the carbs come from sweet potatoes or rice which will offer the satiation and the insulin response.
That's not really the argument. It was whole foods vs processed food. I agree though, I see no benefit to eating fruit. I would just eat vegetables when I was low carb and if I wanted whole foods for carbs, I would have potatoes. It's funny you brought up sweet potatoes because they actually have a fair amount of fructose in them.
That's not really the argument. It was whole foods vs processed food. I agree though, I see no benefit to eating fruit. I would just eat vegetables when I was low carb and if I wanted whole foods for carbs, I would have potatoes. It's funny you brought up sweet potatoes because they actually have a fair amount of fructose in them.
My argument is that the difference between whole and processed foods is nominal in the context of a backload, ceteris paribus.And yes, sweet potatoes do have a bit of fructose, but unless you're pounding them, there won't be an issue; nowhere near as much as apples. Sweet potatoes are at ~2g of fructose per 100g. Here's a list if anyone's interested: http://paleohacks.com/questions/23447/fructose-beets-sweet-potatoes#axzz2N04YNcE9
That's not really the argument. It was whole foods vs processed food. I agree though, I see no benefit to eating fruit. I would just eat vegetables when I was low carb and if I wanted whole foods for carbs, I would have potatoes. It's funny you brought up sweet potatoes because they actually have a fair amount of fructose in them.
My argument is that the difference between whole and processed foods is nominal in the context of a backload, ceteris paribus.And yes, sweet potatoes do have a bit of fructose, but unless you're pounding them, there won't be an issue; nowhere near as much as apples. Sweet potatoes are at ~2g of fructose per 100g. Here's a list if anyone's interested: http://paleohacks.com/questions/23447/fructose-beets-sweet-potatoes#axzz2N04YNcE9
What I meant was that if you wanted some fructose, just eat sweet potatoes because for every 100 g of carbs of sweet potatoes, 10 g of those carbs are fructose. It's a much better option for fructose than fruit.
That's not really the argument. It was whole foods vs processed food. I agree though, I see no benefit to eating fruit. I would just eat vegetables when I was low carb and if I wanted whole foods for carbs, I would have potatoes. It's funny you brought up sweet potatoes because they actually have a fair amount of fructose in them.
My argument is that the difference between whole and processed foods is nominal in the context of a backload, ceteris paribus.And yes, sweet potatoes do have a bit of fructose, but unless you're pounding them, there won't be an issue; nowhere near as much as apples. Sweet potatoes are at ~2g of fructose per 100g. Here's a list if anyone's interested: http://paleohacks.com/questions/23447/fructose-beets-sweet-potatoes#axzz2N04YNcE9
What I meant was that if you wanted some fructose, just eat sweet potatoes because for every 100 g of carbs of sweet potatoes, 10 g of those carbs are fructose. It's a much better option for fructose than fruit.
I gotcha now. I concur.There's a very slight chance that some fructose PWO helps performance actually. The claim is that liver glycogen reserves are restored higher than they would be with only glucose and no fructose and that liver glycogen reserves greatly help performance. Granted, this was in an Alan Aragon article that was very poorly researched, and I generally refuse to believe anything he says.
That's not really the argument. It was whole foods vs processed food. I agree though, I see no benefit to eating fruit. I would just eat vegetables when I was low carb and if I wanted whole foods for carbs, I would have potatoes. It's funny you brought up sweet potatoes because they actually have a fair amount of fructose in them.
My argument is that the difference between whole and processed foods is nominal in the context of a backload, ceteris paribus.And yes, sweet potatoes do have a bit of fructose, but unless you're pounding them, there won't be an issue; nowhere near as much as apples. Sweet potatoes are at ~2g of fructose per 100g. Here's a list if anyone's interested: http://paleohacks.com/questions/23447/fructose-beets-sweet-potatoes#axzz2N04YNcE9
What I meant was that if you wanted some fructose, just eat sweet potatoes because for every 100 g of carbs of sweet potatoes, 10 g of those carbs are fructose. It's a much better option for fructose than fruit.
I gotcha now. I concur.There's a very slight chance that some fructose PWO helps performance actually. The claim is that liver glycogen reserves are restored higher than they would be with only glucose and no fructose and that liver glycogen reserves greatly help performance. Granted, this was in an Alan Aragon article that was very poorly researched, and I generally refuse to believe anything he says.
Kiefer actually echoed something very similar. He said that since GLUT4 will be translocated PWO, it will grab all the glucose from the bloodstream before the liver can get it. So if you want liver glycogen, consume fructose.
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