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Hey man just picked it up for 30 bucks 🙂 ill let you know what i think after training but quick q should i put 30g hydro whey in with it intra-workout?
This is usually my intraworkout shake:80g HBCDs 30g Casein Hydro5g Creatine10g LeucineI put all this in two shakers and sip it throughout the workout. It's crazy how that much water that is and how you would think it would affect the workout but it doesn't.
Tanner. I'm glad to see your on board. I have been on the JM train for almost half a year now, and can honestly say that I will never workout without Anaconda again. I could live without Mag-10, but the combination of Mag-10 and Anaconda around my workouts really kills anything I have ever had. People would probably FREAK out if they knew my INTRA-workout shake has 650 calories and 90g of carbs in it. Big-R gets it, hes pushing the limits of the intra-workout. People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack. I have the Plazma as well. JM helped hook that up for me. The whole protocol changes with Plazma though, and recover is a above and beyond. Everyone can hate on the price, and how much T-nation pushes their products, but they work plain and simple. People on here are spending close to the same amount on their "true-nutrition" stuff. YAY for Usher abs, bitches
Glad to see man. I agree that people who don't train like it's a religious experience would not benefit much with a huge intraWO shake, especially if their goal was to lose fat. I personally love to beat the shit out of myself, and the intraWO shake gives me that ability plus the recovery I need to progress from the workouts.Out of curiousity, what does your monthly bill look like with your Tnation products? I am not one to ever worry about price in a situation that will help my goals but the monthly price tag on that has got to be high!!! If you could reveal how the super top secret black ops protocol changes with Plazma that would be great :).
Religious experience. Some people think they work out, they don't. You don't want to know my monthly supplement bill. I'm done with Plazma after I finish my tub, so that will be a major part of the budget back. Your really only need Plazma if you are working out to a point that your not recovering at all. Just think Dave Tate or John Meadows Videos. I have a pretty good budget down, and I am on the "auto ship" program, so that helps a little with the prices. When you see the results I have, and you feel the way I do during my workouts, I am willing to sacrifice something somewhere else you know. Thib would probably hunt me down and kill me if I revealed.....seriously.
Tanner. I'm glad to see your on board. I have been on the JM train for almost half a year now, and can honestly say that I will never workout without Anaconda again. I could live without Mag-10, but the combination of Mag-10 and Anaconda around my workouts really kills anything I have ever had. People would probably FREAK out if they knew my INTRA-workout shake has 650 calories and 90g of carbs in it. Big-R gets it, hes pushing the limits of the intra-workout. People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack. I have the Plazma as well. JM helped hook that up for me. The whole protocol changes with Plazma though, and recover is a above and beyond. Everyone can hate on the price, and how much T-nation pushes their products, but they work plain and simple. People on here are spending close to the same amount on their "true-nutrition" stuff. YAY for Usher abs, bitches
+ F**king 1 on the intraThe only problem i have (not to sound too much like your average meat head) is that is that these products like true-nutrtion and biotest end up being more expensive than actual Gear. i Mean $75 for mag-10 every 2 weeks would be $900 for 12-week supply... for me thats 3 times the amount i spent on tren/prop. OF course, consider the source. I have a wife and kid to feed so money isn't something i spend in excess. I'm more of a bang for your buck guy at the moment.
People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack.
I don't necessarily disagree with these points, but my problem is that the more carbs you put in intra-workout, the fewer you can enjoy with real food. For instance, my backloads are ~300g. Taking 90g in my intra workout leaves me with 210g to enjoy(assuming you don't take a PWO) whereas if I do my normal PWO shake with 50g, I actually enjoy the shake and then I get to eat 250g. I know you have to make sacrifices to get the best results, but I don't know that the tradeoff would be enough to warrant less enjoyment of food.Now you may be bigger than myself, as I'm not very big, so it's really not a substantial amount of your backload, in which case I should just worry about getting bigger, but don't you feel as though you've got fewer carbs to enjoy now?I'd love to think about employing this technique because I often go 2-3 days without backloading, and workouts can drag because of it, but this would provide some quality energy. Do you follow strength-based programming or hypertrophy-based programming?
Religious experience. Some people think they work out, they don't. You don't want to know my monthly supplement bill. I'm done with Plazma after I finish my tub, so that will be a major part of the budget back. Your really only need Plazma if you are working out to a point that your not recovering at all. Just think Dave Tate or John Meadows Videos. I have a pretty good budget down, and I am on the "auto ship" program, so that helps a little with the prices. When you see the results I have, and you feel the way I do during my workouts, I am willing to sacrifice something somewhere else you know. Thib would probably hunt me down and kill me if I revealed.....seriously.
Fair enough. I may order a tub of the Anaconda and Mag-10 just to see if I notice a difference. Do you use it the products as recommended or have you found something that works for you specifically?I don't want to turn this into a Tnation Supplement thread so just assume I am referring to the ingredients in the supplements themselves.
People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack.
I don't necessarily disagree with these points, but my problem is that the more carbs you put in intra-workout, the fewer you can enjoy with real food. For instance, my backloads are ~300g. Taking 90g in my intra workout leaves me with 210g to enjoy(assuming you don't take a PWO) whereas if I do my normal PWO shake with 50g, I actually enjoy the shake and then I get to eat 250g. I know you have to make sacrifices to get the best results, but I don't know that the tradeoff would be enough to warrant less enjoyment of food.Now you may be bigger than myself, as I'm not very big, so it's really not a substantial amount of your backload, in which case I should just worry about getting bigger, but don't you feel as though you've got fewer carbs to enjoy now?I'd love to think about employing this technique because I often go 2-3 days without backloading, and workouts can drag because of it, but this would provide some quality energy. Do you follow strength-based programming or hypertrophy-based programming?
I think your type of training will decide if you should have periWO carbs or not. If you can lift at an "X intensity" amount without carbs during training but can lift at an "X+5 intensity" with then, which do you think will elicit the greatest gains over time? Again, the training has to go hand in hand with the nutrition and peoples results will vary. In the past, carbs intraworkout just didn't seem to be a good idea because the carbs you ingest did not actually get digested until after the workout. Things like HBCD's with a higher osmolality and hit the blood stream MUCH faster and can actually have a positive affect on training (the same reason why Casein Hyrdo is recommended during and after the WO).IMO, people who are comfortable with the 45 minutes at medium intensity and done might not benefit with the intra workout carbs. Those sick people on the other hand who like to "toe the line" with intensity, in my opinion, should at least try it and see if it makes a difference over time.Â
Religious experience. Some people think they work out, they don't. You don't want to know my monthly supplement bill. I'm done with Plazma after I finish my tub, so that will be a major part of the budget back. Your really only need Plazma if you are working out to a point that your not recovering at all. Just think Dave Tate or John Meadows Videos. I have a pretty good budget down, and I am on the "auto ship" program, so that helps a little with the prices. When you see the results I have, and you feel the way I do during my workouts, I am willing to sacrifice something somewhere else you know. Thib would probably hunt me down and kill me if I revealed.....seriously.
Fair enough. I may order a tub of the Anaconda and Mag-10 just to see if I notice a difference. Do you use it the products as recommended or have you found something that works for you specifically?I don't want to turn this into a Tnation Supplement thread so just assume I am referring to the ingredients in the supplements themselves.
Try it. Let me know what you think. I follow Meadows recommendation on the dosage, which is above and beyond what the tub says. I would start with the regular dosing 30-60min (2 scoops) 60-90 min (3 scoops) above 90 min (4 scoops). I know your not one of those people that is afraid to spend time the gym.
People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack.
I don't necessarily disagree with these points, but my problem is that the more carbs you put in intra-workout, the fewer you can enjoy with real food. For instance, my backloads are ~300g. Taking 90g in my intra workout leaves me with 210g to enjoy(assuming you don't take a PWO) whereas if I do my normal PWO shake with 50g, I actually enjoy the shake and then I get to eat 250g. I know you have to make sacrifices to get the best results, but I don't know that the tradeoff would be enough to warrant less enjoyment of food.Now you may be bigger than myself, as I'm not very big, so it's really not a substantial amount of your backload, in which case I should just worry about getting bigger, but don't you feel as though you've got fewer carbs to enjoy now?I'd love to think about employing this technique because I often go 2-3 days without backloading, and workouts can drag because of it, but this would provide some quality energy. Do you follow strength-based programming or hypertrophy-based programming?
I think your type of training will decide if you should have periWO carbs or not. If you can lift at an "X intensity" amount without carbs during training but can lift at an "X+5 intensity" with then, which do you think will elicit the greatest gains over time? Again, the training has to go hand in hand with the nutrition and peoples results will vary. In the past, carbs intraworkout just didn't seem to be a good idea because the carbs you ingest did not actually get digested until after the workout. Things like HBCD's with a higher osmolality and hit the blood stream MUCH faster and can actually have a positive affect on training (the same reason why Casein Hyrdo is recommended during and after the WO).IMO, people who are comfortable with the 45 minutes at medium intensity and done might not benefit with the intra workout carbs. Those sick people on the other hand who like to "toe the line" with intensity, in my opinion, should at least try it and see if it makes a difference over time.
I can't agree more with this. Its very frustrating seeing people on here that think they are training intensely and are on carb nite, or are afraid to eat carbs. Unless your someone of Mark Bell's size/strength base, and without Keifer tailoring the diet to you, its impossible to get stronger while on CN. Your body doesn't have the necessary ingredients for muscle growth. Of course this is my opinion, but it makes the most sense. I eat clean carbs every day with or without workout. My personalized meal plan has all my carbs around the workout with a Pulse before and after the workout. Fat and protein are fine with me early in the day.I have the mountain dog training program, so its a mix of everything.
People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack.
I don't necessarily disagree with these points, but my problem is that the more carbs you put in intra-workout, the fewer you can enjoy with real food. For instance, my backloads are ~300g. Taking 90g in my intra workout leaves me with 210g to enjoy(assuming you don't take a PWO) whereas if I do my normal PWO shake with 50g, I actually enjoy the shake and then I get to eat 250g. I know you have to make sacrifices to get the best results, but I don't know that the tradeoff would be enough to warrant less enjoyment of food.Now you may be bigger than myself, as I'm not very big, so it's really not a substantial amount of your backload, in which case I should just worry about getting bigger, but don't you feel as though you've got fewer carbs to enjoy now?I'd love to think about employing this technique because I often go 2-3 days without backloading, and workouts can drag because of it, but this would provide some quality energy. Do you follow strength-based programming or hypertrophy-based programming?
I think your type of training will decide if you should have periWO carbs or not. If you can lift at an "X intensity" amount without carbs during training but can lift at an "X+5 intensity" with then, which do you think will elicit the greatest gains over time? Again, the training has to go hand in hand with the nutrition and peoples results will vary. In the past, carbs intraworkout just didn't seem to be a good idea because the carbs you ingest did not actually get digested until after the workout. Things like HBCD's with a higher osmolality and hit the blood stream MUCH faster and can actually have a positive affect on training (the same reason why Casein Hyrdo is recommended during and after the WO).IMO, people who are comfortable with the 45 minutes at medium intensity and done might not benefit with the intra workout carbs. Those sick people on the other hand who like to "toe the line" with intensity, in my opinion, should at least try it and see if it makes a difference over time.
I really enjoy kicking the shit out of myself in workouts, but I always feel that recovery becomes an issue. I have no problem draining all energy, but the issue is as what point am I getting too catabolic. Mondays I do 5x5 Squats and Bench at 90% of 5RM and then some cleans; I think I could add some here and maybe by the time I hit cleans I'll have a second wind. On Friday, my programming has me set for 5RM on Squat, Bench/Press, and Deadlift; I'd love to add a ton of backoff work and assistance, but I feel like if I add too much, I'm gonna run into recovery issues. I guess I'm just wondering if too many compound movements would become an issue or whether the intensity is just lacking for this type of protocol. If I could facilitate faster gains and recover well enough by adding intra-workout nutrition and extra sets w/ intensity, that'd be fucking awesome.
Whats your training schedule like? What kind of weight are you moving. Doing 3 compound movements in one workout, can be very taxing on your CNS. I would promote really changing your workout schedule to focus on movements that really compliment each other. Bench + Squat + Clean all in one workout would promote an intra but I would maybe do this once a week and than take 3 days off. What are you goals? I don't work off 90% or 60% or any of that, Math and the gym don't mix. I go in and do the weight that I can feel the proper muscles working.
Whats your training schedule like? What kind of weight are you moving. Doing 3 compound movements in one workout, can be very taxing on your CNS. I would promote really changing your workout schedule to focus on movements that really compliment each other. Bench + Squat + Clean all in one workout would promote an intra but I would maybe do this once a week and than take 3 days off. What are you goals? I don't work off 90% or 60% or any of that, Math and the gym don't mix. I go in and do the weight that I can feel the proper muscles working.
Basically, I run Texas Method for strength training but with aesthetic goals being a close second. Here's the schedule:MondaySquat 5x5, Bench/Press 5x5, Cleans 4x3, Chins 3xFailure, Decline Sit Ups 3x10Wednesday--everything's fairly light except dipsLight Squats 2x5; Light Press/Bench 3x5, Back Extensions 5x10; Dips 3x8; BB Rows 3x10; Maybe Face Pulls 3x10FridaySquat 5RM; Bench/Press 5RM, 2x5 back-off; Deadlift 5RM; Press/Bench 3x1(not maxing out); Sometimes I'll do some back-off squat sets here; Chins 3xFailure; Decline Sit Ups 3x10; Calf Extensions 3x6Sometimes on Friday I'll skip the back-off stuff if I feel beat up. I've hit PRs on squat for the last 9 or 10 Fridays, Deadlifts I've hit 7 out of 9 or 10, Bench and Press have been less successful, but the program is working.I was thinking intra-workout Monday and maybe Friday if I really wanna hammer out the back-off work.
People are to afraid of carbs in my opinion. If you put them in the right places at the right time, its impossible for them to turn to fat. Of course this doesn't apply to the people that go in and are still using the top of the DB rack.
I don't necessarily disagree with these points, but my problem is that the more carbs you put in intra-workout, the fewer you can enjoy with real food. For instance, my backloads are ~300g. Taking 90g in my intra workout leaves me with 210g to enjoy(assuming you don't take a PWO) whereas if I do my normal PWO shake with 50g, I actually enjoy the shake and then I get to eat 250g. I know you have to make sacrifices to get the best results, but I don't know that the tradeoff would be enough to warrant less enjoyment of food.Now you may be bigger than myself, as I'm not very big, so it's really not a substantial amount of your backload, in which case I should just worry about getting bigger, but don't you feel as though you've got fewer carbs to enjoy now?I'd love to think about employing this technique because I often go 2-3 days without backloading, and workouts can drag because of it, but this would provide some quality energy. Do you follow strength-based programming or hypertrophy-based programming?
I think your type of training will decide if you should have periWO carbs or not. If you can lift at an "X intensity" amount without carbs during training but can lift at an "X+5 intensity" with then, which do you think will elicit the greatest gains over time? Again, the training has to go hand in hand with the nutrition and peoples results will vary. In the past, carbs intraworkout just didn't seem to be a good idea because the carbs you ingest did not actually get digested until after the workout. Things like HBCD's with a higher osmolality and hit the blood stream MUCH faster and can actually have a positive affect on training (the same reason why Casein Hyrdo is recommended during and after the WO).IMO, people who are comfortable with the 45 minutes at medium intensity and done might not benefit with the intra workout carbs. Those sick people on the other hand who like to "toe the line" with intensity, in my opinion, should at least try it and see if it makes a difference over time.
I can't agree more with this. Its very frustrating seeing people on here that think they are training intensely and are on carb nite, or are afraid to eat carbs. Unless your someone of Mark Bell's size/strength base, and without Keifer tailoring the diet to you, its impossible to get stronger while on CN. Your body doesn't have the necessary ingredients for muscle growth. Of course this is my opinion, but it makes the most sense. I eat clean carbs every day with or without workout. My personalized meal plan has all my carbs around the workout with a Pulse before and after the workout. Fat and protein are fine with me early in the day.I have the mountain dog training program, so its a mix of everything.
I think you can get stronger on Carb Nite if you know what you are doing. Growing muscle as you said, may be impossible, but you don't have have to grow muscle to get small strength increases, as strength mainly depends your nervous system.What carbs are you guys using intra-workout? I tried using 45 g of dextrose last night and the workout felt great at first then I started to feel nauseous about halfway through. I remember when I first learned of Meadows protocol a year and a half ago I used bananas and that worked nicely. Actually, a banana smoothie with lactaid skim milk and banana flavored protein powder sounds delicious...
Carb : HIGHLY BRANCHED CYCLIC DEXTRINhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15900642http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10664836http://www.sportsci.org/2006/wghdrinks.htmThis is a fun thread.
Carb : HIGHLY BRANCHED CYCLIC DEXTRINhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15900642http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10664836http://www.sportsci.org/2006/wghdrinks.htmThis is a fun thread.
My question was gonna be what does HBCD mean, I guess that answers it.
Dextrose and Rilose had the same affect on me. Highly Branched Cyclic Dextrins have the energy increase without any type of crash for me. I would really like to see how you react to a different carb.Pshannon uses Tnation products, I bought some VPX stuff which contains the HBCDs:http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vpx/carbonx.html
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