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Hello, I've been on CBL for 20 days now and I've noticed that my glicemia levels are very low on the days I don't backload or if on a backloading day until I get to backload. I just tested and I have 98mg/dl after I ate my mid afternoon snack. I eat no breakfast, lunch(12pm) is usually spinach/asparagus/tomatoes with meat or fish and some cottage cheese, then in the afternoon(4:30/5:00pm) I eat some almonds or peanuts with my protein shake(just the whey isolate with fish oil and leucine) and dinner at 8pm with a similar meal to lunch, this on an off day(when we can't backload). What am I doing wrong? The 98mg/dl is considered normal for someone who hasn't eaten for a long period of time say 10/12 hrs but I got this after eating my mid afternoon snack..Any insight is welcome, thanks!
Hello, I've been on CBL for 20 days now and I've noticed that my glicemia levels are very low on the days I don't backload or if on a backloading day until I get to backload. I just tested and I have 98mg/dl after I ate my mid afternoon snack. I eat no breakfast, lunch(12pm) is usually spinach/asparagus/tomatoes with meat or fish and some cottage cheese, then in the afternoon(4:30/5:00pm) I eat some almonds or peanuts with my protein shake(just the whey isolate with fish oil and leucine) and dinner at 8pm with a similar meal to lunch, this on an off day(when we can't backload). What am I doing wrong? The 98mg/dl is considered normal for someone who hasn't eaten for a long period of time say 10/12 hrs but I got this after eating my mid afternoon snack..Any insight is welcome, thanks!
I would say that all sounds normal to me and makes sense. Glicemia is the level of glucose in ones blood. On days you don't back load and the time leading up to your back load it would only make sense (in a healthy individual) to have lower glucose levels. You haven't been taking in any glucose (carbohydrates) so why would it be present in you blood stream at any level other than normal. This just validates your body is properly removing the glucose introduced through carbs via insulin and shuttling it into the appropriate cells through GLUT receptors.I would not consider your glucose levels low or anything to worry about. I had mine tested 45 minutes after I ate some chicken breast w/EVOO and I was at 65 mg/dL. Hypoglycemia levels usually occur in the range of 50-54 mg/dL. When you do go hypoglycemic, and I have, you will know immediately. Everyone feels the symptoms at different degrees but I felt very weak, shaky, and was sweating profusely.
I understand that but I'm mentioning this situatio because today I felt nauseous and with vertigo. this happened on friday as well, it was a day off and then after dinner I ended up playing soccer for around 1 hour and then went to bed the next day I felt super weak but I guess I should have had eaten something playing.. Also what about acetone leves? My bloodwork shows 90mg/dl and my doctor says it can lead to complications. I think this is the proper ketone production working? I don't know, it's just some of the stuff I've been worried about and haven't seen mentioned anywhere.
One thing I'm noticing on your post is your not eating very much. I would still suggest eating something every three hours. Maybe try throwing in another protein shake with some good fat (1 tablespoon of macadamia nut oil or almond butter/all natural peanut butter (kind with only peanuts as the ingredient) or some nuts on the side, etc…). Once you eat at 12:00pm try and eat again by 3:00pm and then 5:30-6pm and then your last meal around 8:30-9pm. Not huge meals but your pretty much just adding a small shake or whole food meal to what you already eat.Ya, you probably should have had a little shake or something if you played soccer for an hour before bed and after your last meal. Not the kind of activity that constitutes a back load but you probably burned through a lot of what little you did eat so your body still needed something to help it recover through the night.
One thing I'm noticing on your post is your not eating very much. I would still suggest eating something every three hours. Maybe try throwing in another protein shake with some good fat (1 tablespoon of macadamia nut oil or almond butter/all natural peanut butter (kind with only peanuts as the ingredient) or some nuts on the side, etc...). Ok not to be a rude asshole but why do you think a protein shake with a fat source is ideal? By the way it is not. 10g or more of whey will spike insulin levels halting any type of fat burning the OP might have wanted. Adding a fat source to a normal 25g scoop will do absolutely nothing except waste protein and fats. Whole foods are better. Nuts/plant fats (sans coconut oil) is not a good idea to take in on a daily bases either. Especially EVOO. They get absorbed in the body's far cells fairly quickly and takes a shit ton of work to get rid of them. The OP's best choice is Keto type foods. Something WE'VE mentioned throughout the forums. Beef, bacon, eggs, butter, Ghee, coconut oil. If y'all want chicken, add butter or coconut oil to match the protein in grams.Once you eat at 12:00pm try and eat again by 3:00pm and then 5:30-6pm and then your last meal around 8:30-9pm. Not huge meals but your pretty much just adding a small shake or whole food meal to what you already eat.Ya, you probably should have had a little shake or something if you played soccer for an hour before bed and after your last meal. Not the kind of activity that constitutes a back load but you probably burned through a lot of what little you did eat so your body still needed something to help it recover through the night.
Ok not to be a rude asshole but why do you think a protein shake with a fat source is ideal? By the way it is not. 10g or more of whey will spike insulin levels halting any type of fat burning the OP might have wanted. Adding a fat source to a normal 25g scoop will do absolutely nothing except waste protein and fats. Whole foods are better. Nuts/plant fats (sans coconut oil) is not a good idea to take in on a daily bases either. Especially EVOO. They get absorbed in the body's far cells fairly quickly and takes a shit ton of work to get rid of them. The OP's best choice is Keto type foods. Something WE'VE mentioned throughout the forums. Beef, bacon, eggs, butter, Ghee, coconut oil. If y'all want chicken, add butter or coconut oil to match the protein in grams.
Yikes, try and help and get called an asshole...nice. Adding a healthy fat to a protein shake will slow its absorption and resulting insulin spike (so will fiber...hell add some fiber as well). Two things cause your insulin levels to spike: Carbs and protein in large amounts or if its easily absorbed (like WPI). Fats are not absorbed as quickly and slow the bodies ability to absorb anything taken with it. I really disagree that EVOO or macadamia nut oil are bad if taken on a daily basis. They are full of monounsaturated fats and Oleic acid. Are you confusing them with refined man made oils like vegetable oil and canola oil? In which case I would agree. You body does have an incredible hard time processing the complex chemical structure of those types of oils and they offer nothing in terms of health benefits. But good oils like coconut oil, EVOO, Mac Nut Oil, Red Palm oil are have a very nice chemical structure and are very easy for your body to breakdown and store which also makes them easy to release from fat cells as well.Here's a good article you can read up on fats and choosing the correct ones: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/fats_made_simple&cr=
I didn't call you an asshole T_T I was making it where I wasn't. Yes those can be a healthy fats but in all honesty no its not. It cause inflammation around the gut and gets stored. Occasionally they're ok to use but not all the time. Besides with a protein shake? There is no benefit to having a fatty protein shake. At all. 10g or less is ideal and that's pushing it.
Ok not to be a rude asshole but why do you think a protein shake with a fat source is ideal? By the way it is not. 10g or more of whey will spike insulin levels halting any type of fat burning the OP might have wanted. Adding a fat source to a normal 25g scoop will do absolutely nothing except waste protein and fats. Whole foods are better. Nuts/plant fats (sans coconut oil) is not a good idea to take in on a daily bases either. Especially EVOO. They get absorbed in the body's far cells fairly quickly and takes a shit ton of work to get rid of them. The OP's best choice is Keto type foods. Something WE'VE mentioned throughout the forums. Beef, bacon, eggs, butter, Ghee, coconut oil. If y'all want chicken, add butter or coconut oil to match the protein in grams.
Yikes, try and help and get called an asshole...nice. Adding a healthy fat to a protein shake will slow its absorption and resulting insulin spike (so will fiber...hell add some fiber as well). Two things cause your insulin levels to spike: Carbs and protein in large amounts or if its easily absorbed (like WPI). Fats are not absorbed as quickly and slow the bodies ability to absorb anything taken with it. I really disagree that EVOO or macadamia nut oil are bad if taken on a daily basis. They are full of monounsaturated fats and Oleic acid. Are you confusing them with refined man made oils like vegetable oil and canola oil? In which case I would agree. You body does have an incredible hard time processing the complex chemical structure of those types of oils and they offer nothing in terms of health benefits. But good oils like coconut oil, EVOO, Mac Nut Oil, Red Palm oil are have a very nice chemical structure and are very easy for your body to breakdown and store which also makes them easy to release from fat cells as well.Here's a good article you can read up on fats and choosing the correct ones: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/fats_made_simple&cr=
1. The OP does not have the book, so hes flying blind. 2. Your giving out incorrect information, therefore confusing people and not helping at all. This is NOT a bodybuilders diet. Yours NOT supposed to eat all day long every few hours, and your not supposed to have smaller meals to hit your macros for the day. You do NOT need to count anything. if you plan properly. Eat a large lunch, eat a large dinner, and have some coffee with fat inbetween or in the morning. 3. Macadamia oil and EVOO are great sources of fat. They are however not IDEAL sources of fat. Animal fats are suggested. 4. Don't throw a Meadows article into the ring without first seeing if it applies to the diet. Brr
Pshannon, is on point. Plus this person sounds like a troll too. I mean stating to do something completely opposite of EVERYTHING we're using and applying to our diets. Like the dextrose crap mentioned in another thread. Seriously?
1. The OP does not have the book, so hes flying blind. 2. Your giving out incorrect information, therefore confusing people and not helping at all. This is NOT a bodybuilders diet. Yours NOT supposed to eat all day long every few hours, and your not supposed to have smaller meals to hit your macros for the day. You do NOT need to count anything. if you plan properly. Eat a large lunch, eat a large dinner, and have some coffee with fat inbetween or in the morning. 3. Macadamia oil and EVOO are great sources of fat. They are however not IDEAL sources of fat. Animal fats are suggested. 4. Don't throw a Meadows article into the ring without first seeing if it applies to the diet. Brr
1. Well he should get the book. Its like taking a class in college and not buying the required book and then wondering why you don't understand or can't get anything to work.2. It's not a bodybuilders diet but it actually is. Just not a traditional one. Almost every aspect of CBL is geared toward bodybuilding or perfomance athletes who use resistance training and want to gain muscle mass. Kiefer openly states it will not work with endurance athletes, crossfit, zumba, ets... This is the CBL section I believe and not the CNS. I've read the book over and over quite a few times and can assure you that you do in fact need to keep track of your macro's and your body weight for it to work. The back of the book has a number of charts to follow in order to be successful with this diet plan. You also have to train a very specific way at preferably a very specific time. Eating frequent meals or a few large ones is up to the individual. However is best for them to get the stated macro's in. I just said how I prefer to do it but that's just me. This is a forum. A place where a large group of collected minds can discuss a common interest. I'm just lending out my experience to others to let them know what worked for me.3. I still disagree with your opinion on fats. Macadamia Nut oil, EVOO, Red Palm Oil, almond butter, all natural peanut butter are all very good and ideal sources of fats. Animal fats are good too and have there place as well. The key is moderation. Too much animals fats will throw your omega 6:3 ratio off balance in favor of more 6's which puts your body in a state of inflammation which does not provide for optimal functioning. 4. I posted the John Meadows article to help explain fats and good sources to choose from which very much applies to the diet. Fats are awesome and if you are eating a lot of them you're going to want to have good sources.
http://ocw.tufts.edu/data/47/531409.pdfGrass fed beef is 2.7:1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio)Grain fed beef is 17.2:1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio)ANIMAL fats win....Yours saying that almond/peanut/seed butters don't cause inflammation? Are you serious? Have you EVER researched this? As for you "this is actually a body builders diet" comment... I was stating that it is not meant to be a diet to eat every few hours and have to worry about it....Thank you for your definition of a "forum" I was unsure of what this place is. Please say moderation again.
Its really strange in Australia they adverise 60 day grain fed beef which is more expensive then the normal, but some are advertised grass fed, makes me wonder what just normal packed beef is
Its really strange in Australia they adverise 60 day grain fed beef which is more expensive then the normal, but some are advertised grass fed, makes me wonder what just normal packed beef is
Normal is is usually a combination of grain, corn and (I'm not joking) candy. Farmer's, especially in the US, have been using the practice of adding normal candy, chocolates, saltines crackers, pretty much any cheap junk food to the normal feed of bovine. Sometimes in our economy this proves to be a very cheap and effective way to bulk the cows up and necessary for the farmers to make a product. Many people are upset at this fact but the ratio of the junk food to actual feed is controlled and monitored and has little effect on the end product. The scientific community is still debating as to if grass fed beef is a good "dietary source" of omega-3 FA. It's better than grain fed but only slightly. Cows are amazing protein factories, they take useless cellulose (grass) and turn it into high quality protein for us. However, they need the microbes in their stomachs to do this, but the microbes in their guts take unsaturated fats from grass and change them into saturated fats, which is usually what ends up in the beef. That's why beef is usually cited as being full of saturated fats. Anyway, this microbial process which alters fats makes changing the FA composition of the beef through what we feed the cows much less efficient than in other animals (salmon, pigs, chickens). At a recent conference that was about grass fed beef and milk that talked about the potential for grass fed beef to be a dietary source of omega 3 ... you would have to eat 22.5 oz of grassfed beef daily to get to 94% of the daily recommended level. That's quite a bit of beef and quite expensive at that. So beef is not your best or even a very good source for Omega-3 FA's. When you need saturated fat then by all means look for beef. Its really your personal preference as to what kind but know that its really a matter of trimming hairs. If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to know the cows were naturally grazing munching on grass than go for it. When you need to balance those Omega-6 FA's out choose something like salmon or yes....EVOO, Mac nut oil, almond butter or all natural peanut butter. There is nothing wrong with them and they are very beneficial. (Please note when I say almond butter and all natural peanut butter I mean the kind that's only listed ingredient is almonds or peanuts)
Are you kidding me? I put up the study, and found 5 different sources that confirmed the ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 for grass fed beef. I have now wasted enough time on your ignorance. "debating" my ass
Are you kidding me? I put up the study, and found 5 different sources that confirmed the ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 for grass fed beef. I have now wasted enough time on your ignorance. "debating" my ass
Ummm...where? I looked at your 2 page .pdf file that was some little thing put together on what Omega-3 and 6 FA's are and then an arbitrary opinion of the amounts to have in someones diet. Then you posted some 'data' about the amounts in grain vs. grass fed beef. I saw no study or sources posted. My source was a conversation I had with a friend of mine who holds a doctrine in this field and coincidentally studies and follows this particular subject quite extensively. True, I didn't post anything that was published and validated so anyone can believe and take that however they wish. But I do trust my friend as there was no bias, opinion, or agenda involved in our conversation (which actually happened a few weeks ago) regarding this.
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