Has anyone backloaded as dirty as Kiefer suggests on a regular basis?

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    Gnomer
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    #192155

    Doc.Brass
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    I went completely ape-sh*t and followed the dirty eating to the letter.  I lift 4-5 days weekly, plus 2+hrs a day of karate, morning lifting.  And I'm a personal trainer, so a lot of unlogged NEPA there.I've lost about 12% bodyfat, and I wasn't exactly fat.  But I've got definition in places I didn't know I could be defined, because of genetic stuff.Pizza, icecream almost every night, meat+fat+veggies at lunch, hydro whey and regular whey (the whey iso killed my stomach/toilet), AM Accelorator.Sitting at 9% at 179, just did a blood panel for shits and giggles, HDL high, LDL low, free testosterone made the doc ask me if I was on vitamin S.

    #192156

    samuel r walker
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    I went completely ape-sh*t and followed the dirty eating to the letter.  I lift 4-5 days weekly, plus 2+hrs a day of karate, morning lifting.  And I'm a personal trainer, so a lot of unlogged NEPA there.I've lost about 12% bodyfat, and I wasn't exactly fat.  But I've got definition in places I didn't know I could be defined, because of genetic stuff.Pizza, icecream almost every night, meat+fat+veggies at lunch, hydro whey and regular whey (the whey iso killed my stomach/toilet), AM Accelorator.Sitting at 9% at 179, just did a blood panel for shits and giggles, HDL high, LDL low, free testosterone made the doc ask me if I was on vitamin S.

    Awesome job bro! What are your workouts like?

    #192158

    Jamie Hobdell
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    so a lot of unlogged NEPA there.

    I got the gist, but can't figure the abbreviation.What's NEPA?fattyboomboom

    #192157

    Carblover
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    Doc brassPlease Tell us more about your carb intake ,Your Intensity etc

    #192159

    Doc.Brass
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    The forum keeps eating my post, so I'll shorten it up:Issues:  broken back, sciatica, cramps extending full-body from spineMorning WorkoutsWorkout Template: [almost all reps done Shockwave style, without same ELECT loading]Monday - Focus on heavy chinups (2x3, 1x4 bodyweight; 8x4 weighted [last w/o 57.5, 62.5, 75, 80, 85, 90, 92.5, 92.5; 1x15 bw) Secondary movement pull; 2-4 sets @ 8-20 reps; bi-lateral leg movement 2-3 sets 12-30 repsTuesday - Focus on Standing Cable Press (forward/high) 7-8 sets of 8-20 reps (full shockwave, sometimes ELECT, depending on how the back feels), arms [superset for biceps/tricpes 4-6 sets]; bi-lateral leg movementWednesday - Makeup work on whatever I missed or feels like it's lagging; instinctualThursday - Repeat Monday, increase either weight or work densityFriday - Repeat Tuesday, increase weight or work densityKarate 2 hours a day, 6 days a week; 1 hour Sunday| 75 min morning, about 75 at night or afternoon.  Includes kata, heavy bag, makiwara, partner drills, sparringCarbs - 100-200g backload, icecream pizza, rice, sweet potatoes, egg sandwiches, whatever I can make at home.

    #192160

    Carblover
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    #192161

    Gnomer
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    sort of what I do as well just I only use rice mostly as my carb source but if you are backloading 4+ times a week you most likely don't really need much more than 100-200g on each backload

    #192162

    samuel r walker
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    Ive been doing 100-200 5-6x a week, loving it thus far.

    #192163

    Gl;itch.e
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    sort of what I do as well just I only use rice mostly as my carb source but if you are backloading 4+ times a week you most likely don't really need much more than 100-200g on each backload

    Mwahahahaha!That is to say that Im backloading at least 100-150 on off days (3x a week) and 400-450 on training days. I probably dont need that much on training days, but fuck it, Im trying to gain weight here!

    #192164

    Gnomer
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    sort of what I do as well just I only use rice mostly as my carb source but if you are backloading 4+ times a week you most likely don't really need much more than 100-200g on each backload

    Mwahahahaha!That is to say that Im backloading at least 100-150 on off days (3x a week) and 400-450 on training days. I probably dont need that much on training days, but fuck it, Im trying to gain weight here!

    thinking about it if I count my pre and intra workout carbs I probably do get about 300-350g on most workout days

    #192165

    Doc.Brass
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    First, it looks like I left in a bit of a typo.  I'll typically do 200-250g carbs on Backloads previous to my most heavy (volume or weight) days; ~150g on moderate days; ~100g before the light, makeup/instinctual days.  And the Backloads are the last meal of the day.  The next morning, coffee/protein/coconut milk, then my PWO shakes...I train mornings, and I actually avoid PWO carbs.  When I was eating breakfast, I'd do a few specific carbs before training, then ULC for remainder of day.  Now, I do the same, but with more Hydro whey, no carbs previous to Backloads (aka last food of day)SanosukeX brings up a point; total carb volume would need to be edited w/r/t goals.  He is gaining; I'm maintaining my BW while trying to improve several health and physique qualities at once.  Different carb habits, training parameters.

    #192166

    i backloaded pretty dirty for a while..cake, ice cream, pizza, donuts essentially whatever the fuck i wanted while i was density bulking for a short period went from 186-196 and honestly i had to have put on some fat but visually i didn't see much of a change still had my abs from my weight at 186 if anything i just looked better because i looked so much fuller when i switched to density bulking…on another note even when i was doing SA i had donuts and/or pizza at least twice a week and went from 216 lbs down to 186

    #192167

    samuel r walker
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    sort of what I do as well just I only use rice mostly as my carb source but if you are backloading 4+ times a week you most likely don't really need much more than 100-200g on each backload

    Mwahahahaha!That is to say that Im backloading at least 100-150 on off days (3x a week) and 400-450 on training days. I probably dont need that much on training days, but fuck it, Im trying to gain weight here!

    thinking about it if I count my pre and intra workout carbs I probably do get about 300-350g on most workout days

    Id say thats a bit of a difference, haha

    #192168

    Gnomer
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    Well 100-200g carbs is not Even near much carbs .So you backload and then you eat After that Ulc again? 100-200g is OneMeal, Nothing more...

    sort of what I do as well just I only use rice mostly as my carb source but if you are backloading 4+ times a week you most likely don't really need much more than 100-200g on each backload

    Mwahahahaha!That is to say that Im backloading at least 100-150 on off days (3x a week) and 400-450 on training days. I probably dont need that much on training days, but fuck it, Im trying to gain weight here!

    thinking about it if I count my pre and intra workout carbs I probably do get about 300-350g on most workout days

    Id say thats a bit of a difference, haha

    Heh yea.. Honestly though I don't count macros or anything so I'm just estimating.. Main difference for my backloads is if I have day off the next day I only have one large carb mealInstead of two large carb meals

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