Have I screwed up this prep phase?

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Hey guys,So I heard about CBL through a couple of friends and they explained the premise to me, skipping the nuances and just basically stating "you don't have carbs for 10 days," so I jumped on that figuring I'd start there and pick the book up later.Well, I picked the book up and am currently on day 5 (of 10) of my prep. I've been going <50g carbs per day, 25g coming from dextrose immediately post workout the others come from vegetables, salad dressing (very low amount), or eggs. Most days I drink one, sometimes two diet mountain dews while at work. I always take 400mg caffeine from pills when I wake up in the morning though I don't drink coffee or have any other foods until I train.After my workout I drink my PWO (25g dextrose, 10g BCAA's, 5g creatine) then wait 30 minutes and have 3 or 4 scoops of protein mixed in water. After that comes dinner and maybe a snack afterward.All of that seemed fine to me, but now I'm not so sure. I'm reading through the book and just got to Chapter 34. A few pages ago I read that I shouldn't be fasting all day, diet drinks containing acesulfame potassium spike insulin, and that an all day fast drops ketogenesis after a few hours of being awake.Have I screwed up this prep phase? Will I need to start this whole 10 day debacle all over again or am I still alright to finish this out shortly and begin eating carbs in a few days? I genuinely hope I haven't totally fucked all of this up by just jumping in before I read the book... these past few days without any carbs have been horrible.

[Richard Schmitt]

Honestly now since you have the book and understand what you need to do. The full ten days is a must. Sorry

[Big_R]

Hey guys,So I heard about CBL through a couple of friends and they explained the premise to me, skipping the nuances and just basically stating "you don't have carbs for 10 days," so I jumped on that figuring I'd start there and pick the book up later.Well, I picked the book up and am currently on day 5 (of 10) of my prep. I've been going <50g carbs per day, 25g coming from dextrose immediately post workout the others come from vegetables, salad dressing (very low amount), or eggs. Most days I drink one, sometimes two diet mountain dews while at work. I always take 400mg caffeine from pills when I wake up in the morning though I don't drink coffee or have any other foods until I train.After my workout I drink my PWO (25g dextrose, 10g BCAA's, 5g creatine) then wait 30 minutes and have 3 or 4 scoops of protein mixed in water. After that comes dinner and maybe a snack afterward.All of that seemed fine to me, but now I'm not so sure. I'm reading through the book and just got to Chapter 34. A few pages ago I read that I shouldn't be fasting all day, diet drinks containing acesulfame potassium spike insulin, and that an all day fast drops ketogenesis after a few hours of being awake.Have I screwed up this prep phase? Will I need to start this whole 10 day debacle all over again or am I still alright to finish this out shortly and begin eating carbs in a few days? I genuinely hope I haven't totally fucked all of this up by just jumping in before I read the book... these past few days without any carbs have been horrible.

Psychologically, not eating carbs for a few days tends to make people crazy.  Just think, those doing carb nite go 6 days no carbs after a prep phase before they indulge in carbs only once per week. haha, like BigTex said, you gotta suck it up and do it.  BEst of Luck!

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So the prep phase has to be absolutely zero carbs, or what? I didn't see it stated in the book that you can't consume any carbs at all, it just has to be ultra low carb which is, at another point in the book described as 30g. Wouldn't the post workout state positively effect the consumption of carbohydrates there if they were limited to 25 and all of the rest throughout the remainder of the day through vegetables?I still noticed all of the effects the book describes will happen upon initial entry including all of this water weight being shed, lethargy, no energy in the gym. The only thing I haven't been doing that has been suggested is the AM Shake of coffee, isolate, MCT, and heavy cream.Is the suggestion that I have to restart all of this reactionary or do you have specific reasoning as to why, exactly, I must restart the prep phase? Like I said, I'm experiencing the prep phase steps as detailed in the book so I'd rather have some actual information to base a new prep phase cycle off of rather than "welp gotta start over!"

[Brandon D Christ]

So the prep phase has to be absolutely zero carbs, or what? I didn't see it stated in the book that you can't consume any carbs at all, it just has to be ultra low carb which is, at another point in the book described as 30g. Wouldn't the post workout state positively effect the consumption of carbohydrates there if they were limited to 25 and all of the rest throughout the remainder of the day through vegetables?I still noticed all of the effects the book describes will happen upon initial entry including all of this water weight being shed, lethargy, no energy in the gym. The only thing I haven't been doing that has been suggested is the AM Shake of coffee, isolate, MCT, and heavy cream.Is the suggestion that I have to restart all of this reactionary or do you have specific reasoning as to why, exactly, I must restart the prep phase? Like I said, I'm experiencing the prep phase steps as detailed in the book so I'd rather have some actual information to base a new prep phase cycle off of rather than "welp gotta start over!"

I don't think you should restart but ditch the dextrose post workout for the remainder of the prep phase.  According to Kiefer, you really shouldn't have more than 10 carbs in one meal when you are ULC.  If you are sure you are under 30 g, you are fine.

[Big_R]

So the prep phase has to be absolutely zero carbs, or what? I didn't see it stated in the book that you can't consume any carbs at all, it just has to be ultra low carb which is, at another point in the book described as 30g. Wouldn't the post workout state positively effect the consumption of carbohydrates there if they were limited to 25 and all of the rest throughout the remainder of the day through vegetables?I still noticed all of the effects the book describes will happen upon initial entry including all of this water weight being shed, lethargy, no energy in the gym. The only thing I haven't been doing that has been suggested is the AM Shake of coffee, isolate, MCT, and heavy cream.Is the suggestion that I have to restart all of this reactionary or do you have specific reasoning as to why, exactly, I must restart the prep phase? Like I said, I'm experiencing the prep phase steps as detailed in the book so I'd rather have some actual information to base a new prep phase cycle off of rather than "welp gotta start over!"

You said <50 a day while the protocol accounts for <30 and from trace amounts, not from direct intake, i.e. rapidly absorbed dextrose. Did you have any other carbs other than PWO?    you could keep going and see what happens, i think it is just better to be safe and do things the right way the first time around.  just my 2 cents. i think tex may have been thinking the same... re-doing the prep phase isn't much fun.

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Alright, I'll drop the dextrose until this is over.No, I haven't been eating any direct carbs outside of that. Any carbs have come from veggies for the most part. I considered that before I left the house this morning and made my shake sans dextrose so I'm on track to keep this up with hopefully minimum derailment.Thanks guys

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