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My coach recommended these both to me and I was curious if anyone has had success with either, knows any research on one or the other, or which is more important.
HMB is useless, according to research, for intermediate and advanced lifters (unless you take ultra-high, expensive doses). Older men, and beginners, might see benefit.D-Aspartic Acid I HAVE used, and YES, it works (for me). It was also tested on adult, male subjects (in Italy). After 10-12 days, base test levels had risen 40% within the natural range!When I used it, I noticed all the signs of a test increase, plus intense sexual aggression. This was within the first 2 weeks of first dose.If you go with the raw powder, do be aware it tastes a bit "tangy". This is going to sound perverse, and pardon if it does, but it comes pretty f*cking close to the taste of 'going down' on a clean girl who is really "turned on". Again, pardon my analogy, but I am not the only one who thinks that.I used this product:http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/d-aspartic-acid-daa-80-grams.htmlCory
First off, I concur with CoryMcC in that there is no evidence that HMB will do anything for weight-trained 'prime'-aged males. Second, HMB, as I understand it, is a downstream metabolite of Leucine, so if you are following the PWO shake recommendations and other protocols, then I see no need…I actually saw about a 30% increase in Test on DAA proved by bloodwork. Unfortunately, 30% of a low amount (my sad case) isn't enough to get you where you need to be to make any real difference. For example, if you are at 250ng/dl Tot Test (clinically Low), even if you obtain the the research results of 42% increase, it only gets you to 355ng/dl which is low-normal and by no means will Test at this level reap you any additional muscle mass, although there may be some sex-related benefits seen (raised libido, etc.). Additionally, questions still remain about safety with long-term use as there were no study results on this last time I checked.
First off, I concur with CoryMcC in that there is no evidence that HMB will do anything for weight-trained 'prime'-aged males. Second, HMB, as I understand it, is a downstream metabolite of Leucine, so if you are following the PWO shake recommendations and other protocols, then I see no need...I actually saw about a 30% increase in Test on DAA proved by bloodwork. Unfortunately, 30% of a low amount (my sad case) isn't enough to get you where you need to be to make any real difference. For example, if you are at 250ng/dl Tot Test (clinically Low), even if you obtain the the research results of 42% increase, it only gets you to 355ng/dl which is low-normal and by no means will Test at this level reap you any additional muscle mass, although there may be some sex-related benefits seen (raised libido, etc.). Additionally, questions still remain about safety with long-term use as there were no study results on this last time I checked.
This is true, there aren't any studies on the long-term side effects, but there is speculation that DAA is harmless to ingest.Recommended cycling is 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Recommended dosage is ~3g per day (I took mine in the morning, upon waking).I have used it (off and on) since the initial studies were made public, sometime in 2010 or so. Never had any issues, and NEVER had any of the complications you find with pro-hormone use or steroid use.It is a naturally occuring compound, an acidic amino acid. You can find it, naturally, in lunch meats, sausage, wild game, sprouting seeds, oat flakes, avocadoes, asparagus, young sugarcane, and molasses (from sugar beets).Cory
That's awesome to hear because the HMB was much more expensive than the DAA. So I'll probably end up getting the prima force DAA since its servings are 3g each and it's only $20. Thanks so much guys! I'm also 18 so if this raises my test levels even more ill be impressed. Haha but I still want to try!
Id be interested to hear from Kiefer about some of these Test Boosters. From what I understand there is a pretty tight hormone balance with biofeedback that means when Test goes up the body also ups all other hormones such as Estrogen making the effect mostly moot.
From what I understand there is a pretty tight hormone balance with biofeedback that means when Test goes up the body also ups all other hormones such as Estrogen making the effect mostly moot.
Yep, that's why many people take an aromatase inhibitor along with their DAA
From what I understand there is a pretty tight hormone balance with biofeedback that means when Test goes up the body also ups all other hormones such as Estrogen making the effect mostly moot.
Yep, that's why many people take an aromatase inhibitor along with their DAA
What is an aromatase inhibitor?
What is an aromatase inhibitor?
A chemical compound / pharmacological agent that inhibits an enzyme called aromatase which converts testosterone into estrogen (estradiol)
A solid aromotase inhibitor, that is available legally is PES Erase. However, legally does not mean certain tested sports organizations won't ban you for using it. You need to run the compound against banned lists of whatever organization you may play for / end up playing for.http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/erase-90-caps.htmlHere is the best deal on DAA, the one that I used (little over a month's worth for $13):http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/d-aspartic-acid-daa-80-grams.htmlCory
More recent research out of Tampa University (I was just at the NSCA National convention two weeks ago) shows that HMB is effective in preventing muscle catabolism in trained individuals undergoing intense supervised progressive resistance training. as well as soldiers in basic training (a very catabloic 6 weeks of running and undereating). The older research from 2000 was flawed because the well trained lifters in the experiment used the same weights for the whole 28 days (no pregressive resistance). Dosages were 1 gram 3 times a day. Calcium HMB needs to be taken 1 1/2 hours before lifting to have be active during the lifting session but timing may not matter according to some of his research studies. http://www.ut.edu/HMB-Research.aspxhttp://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-174854781.html
What is HMB going to do that a full protein and/or BCAA mix wouldnt accomplish? Save your money.
That's what I was thinking. My coach already has me on 25-35g BCAAs every day. I feel like that is plenty to save me from most catabolism.
I feel based on the more recent research that it is worth a shot.
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