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awesome job man!:) i think one thing people have trouble getting around is while you may need a deficet somewhere it doesn't need to be drastic(also figuring out what's a reasonable deficet can be tricky for some people) and I know keifer talks about this several times.. people stall and assume they need to drop food even more even when they are already eating almost nothing.. a lot of other factors can be going on that's keeping weight on them
Am I alone in thinking "why can't this thermodynamics crap just die?"
awesome job man!:) i think one thing people have trouble getting around is while you may need a deficet somewhere it doesn't need to be drastic(also figuring out what's a reasonable deficet can be tricky for some people) and I know keifer talks about this several times.. people stall and assume they need to drop food even more even when they are already eating almost nothing.. a lot of other factors can be going on that's keeping weight on them
Am I alone in thinking "why can't this thermodynamics crap just die?"
Care to elaborate. Not sure which side of the aisle you are coming from?
Proplanner, HOLY SHIT!!!!! That is freaking impressive man. You look amazing! Shredded to the bone man.Proplanner I have a few questions if you don't mind answering. First, and pardon if the answer to this question seems obvious, I just want to know your take, if your previous method was obviously so damn effective, why would you abandon it to get lean and do CNS? Secondly, if you don't mind sharing, how tall are you and how much did you weigh in that shredded pic?Were you taking any hormone replacement testosterone or performance enhancing drugs during time that you reached that insane conditioning?Last question, How much grams of fat and protein were you taking on the 6 low carb days? What did a typical meal day look like? Also what did you typically eat on the refeed day? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just blown away by your results and how shredded you are and want to know more.Thank you very much.p.s. And thank you guys for this lively debate this was exactly the kind of discussion I was hoping to have that might help bring value to the community and help others who might be stuck or not sure what is wrong. I think the main take away is if your stalling cut back on some calories by maybe 100-300 per day and see where you go after a few weeks or add in a little bit more cardio.
Ok, I lost 36 kgs over 51 weeks being coached by a well known prep coach who utilises massive 12 hour carb refeed s once per week, very similar to cns.I ate low carb 50 g or less for Six days and ate 1000g plus of low fat high gi carbs on the seventh. The six days were low in fat as well though and therein lay my deficit. Did 30 mins of walking five days per week plus four days weights.i plan to cut again using a form of CNS but I agree there still has to be a deficit somewhere. Will use the high fat and HIIT to hold on to mass whilst losing fat.
Not really using cns at the minute, doing CBL with SA to put on size and strength.Reason for change is at six four , in the lean pic I only weighed 86-87kg, way too light at my height. Read about CBL whilst dieting down and was really intrigued by the protocol and had read lyle McDonald's books and wanted to try a Ckd style diet. The no breakfast thing and carbs at night really struck a chord with me.At present am up at 98-99kg and around 10-11% bf after four months on CBL. Am stronger after this four months than I have ever been.Absolutely no anything (test clen etc) , ate about 200g protein and maybe 15g of fat on a normal day. Ate about 50g carbs on non training days and about 80g on training days. Refeed days were unlimited low fat high gi carbs., lollies, muffins, ice cream, rice crackers, white bread, sushi, you name it i tried and ate it.This dieting was really hard mentally as was borderline depressed waiting for Sunday to roll around. Plus really really depleted from about Wednesday onwards each week, plus lost a lot of strength. Not that any of these things are unusual when you are in big deficits.The high fat of CBL is IMO much easier to stick to and eating carbs a few nights per week is socially much more acceptable.I don't know that I can get this lean again using CBL or CNS , but will compete next year with ideas from guys like Ferg and others who are using this ckd to compete.
“I think the main take away is if your stalling cut back on some calories by maybe 100-300 per day and see where you go after a few weeks or add in a little bit more cardio.”how did you come to that conclusion? if anything that generally is the complete opposite of what you want to do for a lot of peoplealso about the thermodymanics thing i posted a link on the previous page that explains what TCB means...
Not really using cns at the minute, doing CBL with SA to put on size and strength.Reason for change is at six four , in the lean pic I only weighed 86-87kg, way too light at my height. Read about CBL whilst dieting down and was really intrigued by the protocol and had read lyle McDonald's books and wanted to try a Ckd style diet. The no breakfast thing and carbs at night really struck a chord with me.At present am up at 98-99kg and around 10-11% bf after four months on CBL. Am stronger after this four months than I have ever been.Absolutely no anything (test clen etc) , ate about 200g protein and maybe 15g of fat on a normal day. Ate about 50g carbs on non training days and about 80g on training days. Refeed days were unlimited low fat high gi carbs., lollies, muffins, ice cream, rice crackers, white bread, sushi, you name it i tried and ate it.This dieting was really hard mentally as was borderline depressed waiting for Sunday to roll around. Plus really really depleted from about Wednesday onwards each week, plus lost a lot of strength. Not that any of these things are unusual when you are in big deficits.The high fat of CBL is IMO much easier to stick to and eating carbs a few nights per week is socially much more acceptable.I don't know that I can get this lean again using CBL or CNS , but will compete next year with ideas from guys like Ferg and others who are using this ckd to compete.
I am curious as to what your workouts looked like on your lifting days, what was your volume like?
awesome job man!:) i think one thing people have trouble getting around is while you may need a deficet somewhere it doesn't need to be drastic(also figuring out what's a reasonable deficet can be tricky for some people) and I know keifer talks about this several times.. people stall and assume they need to drop food even more even when they are already eating almost nothing.. a lot of other factors can be going on that's keeping weight on them
Am I alone in thinking "why can't this thermodynamics crap just die?"
Care to elaborate. Not sure which side of the aisle you are coming from?
I mean calories-in VS calories-out is a theory based on absolutely shitty (and extremely old) science that has been proven time and time again to not work. BUT this is the platform that the government decided to get behind and has pushed for so long that it just won't die.For a couple years now I've been frustrated by all the thermodynamics leg-humpers, and the "a pound of fat is 3500 calories, if you put yourself in a 7000 calorie deficit every week, you'll lose 2 pounds a week" crap. This should be proof that this whole theory is not an end-all-be-all because if you take 100 different people and do this EXACT measure on them, you'll get at least 50 different results. Even Kiefer says it's crap because it doesn't take into account the SECOND law of thermodynamics that is conveniently ignored.What it boils down to, for me, is why the hell are people so concerned with losing WEIGHT? They ought be more concerned with losing FAT. And losing fat does NOT **REQUIRE** a caloric deficit.
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