Hormonally Intelligent Exercise

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    Gnomer
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    Gl;itch.e
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    Stopped reading when some BS about serotonin and growth hormone came up in the rationale for the diet.

    #215758

    Gnomer
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    if i stopped reading something because it contradicted my beliefs and views on how things worked i never would of finished CBL 🙂

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    Gl;itch.e
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    if i stopped reading something because it contradicted my beliefs and views on how things worked i never would of finished CBL 🙂

    I dont mind reading contradictory information IF its backed up with some evidence. But I've read enough complelling evidence to counter the mainstream health and bodybuilding mythologies based on serotonin and growth hormone respectively. Therefore the reasoning used to suggest their diet would work is flawed and my interested diminished. At least with Kiefer's CBL you've got Glut translocation is fall back on.

    #215760

    Gnomer
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    i didn't find the diet stuff very informative.. more so the training information

    #215761

    Gl;itch.e
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    i didn't find the diet stuff very informative.. more so the training information

    Yeah I did skim over some graphs but I guess at this point much of this is rememdial for me.

    #215762

    Gnomer
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    i know many won't read this whole thing but i think this part is important to why many stop progressing.. starts halfway down page 44(or page 276 by the books pages) and talks about"Bringing it all Together: "How Adaptation to Stress"and "Progressivity" Relate to Hormones"one quote from that "Training progressively means continually increasing and/or continually changing the stress imposedon the body, thereby continually creating new stress."Think one big issue in bodybuilding is impossing that new stress on an ongoing basis. Adding a couple pounds to a bench press is great but does it provide enough stress to trigger a growth response? in a lot of people probably not(especially if they been doing the same basic volume/intenisty in their bench press routine for an extended period of time). Obviously a lot of other factors go into this but varied training(which this book talks about) is a pretty key way to continuously provide new stress to the body.. now obviously someone working out for many many years is going to reach a point where it is extremely difficult to add enough new stress to the body to trigger new growth(again for a variety of reasons)book goes more into that on page 52 "Progressing Beyond"

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    Gl;itch.e
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    i know many won't read this whole thing but i think this part is important to why many stop progressing.. starts halfway down page 44(or page 276 by the books pages) and talks about"Bringing it all Together: "How Adaptation to Stress"and "Progressivity" Relate to Hormones"one quote from that "Training progressively means continually increasing and/or continually changing the stress imposedon the body, thereby continually creating new stress."Think one big issue in bodybuilding is impossing that new stress on an ongoing basis. Adding a couple pounds to a bench press is great but does it provide enough stress to trigger a growth response? in a lot of people probably not(especially if they been doing the same basic volume/intenisty in their bench press routine for an extended period of time). Obviously a lot of other factors go into this but varied training(which this book talks about) is a pretty key way to continuously provide new stress to the body.. now obviously someone working out for many many years is going to reach a point where it is extremely difficult to add enough new stress to the body to trigger new growth(again for a variety of reasons)book goes more into that on page 52 "Progressing Beyond"

    Good points Sano. This would be why the advanced westside guys change their max effort lifts constantly and why most pro bodybuilders train "instinctively" or use "muscle confusion". A newbie is better off sticking with things until they are neurologically efficient and an intermediate guy is probably better off changing things every 3-4 weeks or so.

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    Gnomer
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    Good points Sano. This would be why the advanced westside guys change their max effort lifts constantly and why most pro bodybuilders train “instinctively” or use “muscle confusion”. A newbie is better off sticking with things until they are neurologically efficient and an intermediate guy is probably better off changing things every 3-4 weeks or so.

    yea it says pretty much that in the "Progressing Beyond" section

    #215765

    Brandon D Christ
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    i know many won't read this whole thing but i think this part is important to why many stop progressing.. starts halfway down page 44(or page 276 by the books pages) and talks about"Bringing it all Together: "How Adaptation to Stress"and "Progressivity" Relate to Hormones"one quote from that "Training progressively means continually increasing and/or continually changing the stress imposedon the body, thereby continually creating new stress."Think one big issue in bodybuilding is impossing that new stress on an ongoing basis. Adding a couple pounds to a bench press is great but does it provide enough stress to trigger a growth response? in a lot of people probably not(especially if they been doing the same basic volume/intenisty in their bench press routine for an extended period of time). Obviously a lot of other factors go into this but varied training(which this book talks about) is a pretty key way to continuously provide new stress to the body.. now obviously someone working out for many many years is going to reach a point where it is extremely difficult to add enough new stress to the body to trigger new growth(again for a variety of reasons)book goes more into that on page 52 "Progressing Beyond"

    Good points Sano. This would be why the advanced westside guys change their max effort lifts constantly and why most pro bodybuilders train "instinctively" or use "muscle confusion". A newbie is better off sticking with things until they are neurologically efficient and an intermediate guy is probably better off changing things every 3-4 weeks or so.

    It's important to realize though that changing exercises to frequently will not result in much mass gains, simply neurological gains.  That's why Westside changes exercises so often.  However it's also important to note that the Eastern European lifters, the best lifters in the IPF and in my opinion, in all of powerlifting, don't stray to far from squats, bench, and deadlift.Christian Thibideau explains a contrary view:  http://www.t-nation.com/training/biggest-training-lie

    #215766

    Gnomer
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    you don't need to change exercises just the manner in how you perform them.. varying intensity and volume.. say you are doing 5×5 routine for 6 months and you are at a point you are hardly making any progress you don't necessarily need to change the exercises but changing the volume/frequency/ or intensity could be key to continually progressing

    #215767

    Brandon D Christ
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    you don't need to change exercises just the manner in how you perform them.. varying intensity and volume.. say you are doing 5x5 routine for 6 months and you are at a point you are hardly making any progress you don't necessarily need to change the exercises but changing the volume/frequency/ or intensity could be key to continually progressing

    Exactly, but I was referring to the change exercise idea.  In my opinion, there really are only a small amount of exercises that are effective for most people.Another thing people also neglect is exercise order.  If you always do a post exhaust routine, you can change things up by doing a pre-exhaust routine.  You can also try alternating sets.

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