How to backload while doing Layne Nortons PHAT

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    Gypsyking
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    I heard of people having great success doing PHAT with CBL, I'm doing SA for now and was wondering what days would I carb up more for, power or hypertrophy? Or would there be no difference?For those unfamiliar with it....http://www.simplyshredded.com/mega-feature-layne-norton-training-series-full-powerhypertrophy-routine-updated-2011.html

    #135944

    Richard Schmitt
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    Find what works for you. If you need to backload only on Power days then do so. It's all based on goals and how you perform. Backload every day if you need to. No one can tell you “How to Backload” because we aren't you and don't know how your body is. Just listen to it and you'll find out what you need

    #135945

    Gypsyking
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    I was afraid of that haha.  I'll feel it out, was just hoping for some right or wrong science based answer but you're probably right.

    #135946

    Richard Schmitt
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    Pretty much gave you a science based answer in “obseravtion” and “tracking those observations”

    #135947

    Gypsyking
    Participant

    not knocking you, just saying I wish there was a specific answer laid out to make it easier

    #135948

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    ….Have any stats?HEIGHT?WEIGHT?BF?LBM?BW TO CARBS?POUNDS LOST IN PREP?INTOLERANCE TO ANY FOODS?

    #135949

    Mikehr
    Member

    In terms of performance most people can lift heavy weights with low reps with low glycogen so the power days shouldnt be too bad, the hypertrophy/higher reps are much harder with low glyco so i would reccomend doing a backload after those days. If I were you I would do a big backload on monday after upper body power, smaller one tuesday because your not training wednesday, a big one thursday small one friday and saturday. Or you could just do one monday, thursday and friday, as those days you both train and are training the following day. Thats my opinion

    #135950

    Gypsyking
    Participant

    So you wouldn't backload on the day you don't work out, even if you're lifting the next day? that's confused me considering your body utilizes the carbs best pwo, but Kiefer also said backload the day before working out, seems like  a conundrum

    #135951

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    It all depends upon goals, if you want to be a Strength Athlete then backload the night prior to use those to maximize the lifts. If asethetics is the main goal then backload PWO like normal.

    #135952

    Mikehr
    Member

    Ok well carbs = performance to a certain extent so if you want the absolute best performance backload after and each training session and before each training session. But saturdays on training session isn't gonna completely emptying your glyco so mondays workout is impossible, Im doing phat with one day of carbs a week btw.

    #135953

    Gypsyking
    Participant

    How is that working out for you Mike?

    #135954

    Mikehr
    Member

    Just fine performance wise, in terms of muscle growth i need more carbs so I'm adding a second small backload on thursdays, so cn style backload on monday and small backload thursday is the plan.

    #135955

    guitarjon
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    I'm doing basically the same kind of thing as Mike.  I have a CN on Saturday and a backload on Wednesday.  I'm using PHAT and this week for example, I did HIIT on Sunday and again before I trained on Monday, then I did a 3rd HIIT session today before I trained. 

    #135956

    Gypsyking
    Participant

    HIIT would seem to go well with the power days I think, has anyone here read/tried Lyle Mcdonalds Ultimate Diet 2.0? It's not a far cry from PHAT training and the diet involved is the anabolic diet, basically you carb up on the weekends but he had it structured so you carbed up right after you were depleted for the week, then did your power sessions the next day, but CBL seems to be an evolution of that concept where you don't have to deplete all week.  Maybe a hybrid of UD2.0 and CBL would be in order, just adjust the timing and workout schedule to get the best bang for your carbs.  I've been going over Kiefers Xmas present too as to how he arranged the loads for different work outputs and depending on the workload the next day, I will hopefully come up with something and post it soon.  Any other insight or experiences are appreciated

    #135957

    Mikehr
    Member

    Oh ok well I am not familiar with the UD2.0 there is like 0 information on it unless you buy it,wanna outline for me man if you have time? Just rough outline.

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