How to Talk Someone Off the Ledge

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    LegsMegs81
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    For the past 6 months my mom has been using the Carb Nite diet. After seeing my success she went on the diet willingly and lost 10lbs. But for some reason she thinks it isn't good for her. She thinks she needs fruit, antioxidants, more fiber. I've been trying to talk her off the ledge of quitting but I'm loosing steam. Does anyone have any advice?

    #211394

    Gnomer
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    you can still eat fruit on CN and even on ULC days. i'd stick with berries though as the carb count is low.. also you can get plenty of fiber and vitamins in various vegetables.. is she not eating many vegetables?

    #211395

    LegsMegs81
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    I think she is but I will tell her to eat more broccoli, cauliflower, etc. Berries I didn't even think were an option so she will be happy to hear that I'm sure. Thanks!

    #211396

    Gnomer
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    I think she is but I will tell her to eat more broccoli, cauliflower, etc. Berries I didn't even think were an option so she will be happy to hear that I'm sure. Thanks!

    1/2 cup of mixed berries is only about 5-6 usable carbs so as long as she is keeping her usable under 30 on ulc days she can still have even a cup of mixed berries a day and be fine

    #211397

    BenjaminD
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    Mixed berries and veggies are certainly viable options. Spinach can be added to just about everything (even vanilla/chocolate/peanut butter/etc. protein shakes) and is a staple for me, regardless of how my diet is set up.

    #211398

    Brandon D Christ
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    you can still eat fruit on CN and even on ULC days. i'd stick with berries though as the carb count is low.. also you can get plenty of fiber and vitamins in various vegetables.. is she not eating many vegetables?

    +1 I think people get too dogmatic about this diet.  All you have to do is keep the carbs under 30 g, that's all.  Berries are an excellent idea if you want fruit.Also I think it just comes down to the fact that she is uneducated on nutrition.  There are many sources of antioxidants and fiber that aren't from fruit.  Vegetables, coffee, tea, unsweetened chocolate, red palm oil, and whey protein are ones that come right off the top of my head.

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    BenjaminD
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    you can still eat fruit on CN and even on ULC days. i'd stick with berries though as the carb count is low.. also you can get plenty of fiber and vitamins in various vegetables.. is she not eating many vegetables?

    +1 I think people get too dogmatic about this diet.  All you have to do is keep the carbs under 30 g, that's all.  Berries are an excellent idea if you want fruit.Also I think it just comes down to the fact that she is uneducated on nutrition.  There are many sources of antioxidants and fiber that aren't from fruit.  Vegetables, coffee, tea, unsweetened chocolate, red palm oil, and whey protein are ones that come right off the top of my head.

    Not to mention that eating better quality, non-processed food is detoxifying in itself.

    #211400

    Gnomer
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    I have a small thing of berries with some heavy cream at night.

    #211401

    Spatz
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    Same as Gnomer. When I'm craving something sweet I'll have about 50grams berries (I weigh everything…) with some whipped cream or honey goat cheese. (1 carb per oz) very tasty, hard to believe its about 5 carbs!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    #211402

    Tracy Jarchow
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    Kiefer has also specifically mentioned that EVERYONE would do well to have some whey protein every single day of their lives. Whey protein is the single most anti inflammatory food item there is.

    #211403

    Brandon D Christ
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    Kiefer has also specifically mentioned that EVERYONE would do well to have some whey protein every single day of their lives. Whey protein is the single most anti inflammatory food item there is.

    This is actually the only reason I still take whey protein.

    #211404

    BenjaminD
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    Kiefer has also specifically mentioned that EVERYONE would do well to have some whey protein every single day of their lives. Whey protein is the single most anti inflammatory food item there is.

    This is actually the only reason I still take whey protein.

    Really? What makes whey so special? Clearly I missed the memo on this!

    #211405

    Brandon D Christ
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    Kiefer has also specifically mentioned that EVERYONE would do well to have some whey protein every single day of their lives. Whey protein is the single most anti inflammatory food item there is.

    This is actually the only reason I still take whey protein.

    Really? What makes whey so special? Clearly I missed the memo on this!

    It raises glutathione levels, which I believe is the most potent anti-oxidant in the body and as someone mentioned above it has anti-inflammatory effects.  Kiefer discusses this in chapter 25 of CBL.  Plus he also stated on a podcast before that he recommends all of his clients to take at least 20 g of whey isolate per day.

    #211406

    cloudybrain
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    Ahem.. returning back to the topic with the OP..short answer:There is no "true" way to talk to someone off the ledge, it really depends on person to person. Some people might jump off fully, some people might climb down, some people might stay on the ledge, and others will never know they are on it. All I can say is offer the advice by first asking them for 5 mins of their time, give them reasons why it works, allow them to ask any questions they have, and don't sound like a "know it all".. that's just bad. .. and it leave it up to them if they wanna go through with it or not. Don't ever argue or force your opinions.personal experience:My mom has a huge problem with this diet, she's obese and has type 2 diabetes, but the problem with her is that she's lead a long life of dissatisfying results and health problems. Because of the social hooplah out there, she just doesn't believe anything can help her since she "tried them all". She believes that too much protein is bad for the liver, and brings up family history of diseases that could possibly be genetic but also be preventable from the foods we eat. Many times she's eaten fruits not because she's hungry or full.. but because "it's good for you".. containing vitamins and minerals. When I call her out on it, she just doesn't want to hear it.. I mean.. how could anyone suggest that eating skittles at the appropriate time, consuming ~3tbsp of butter, and having a pound of beef/chicken better than eating apples and berries all day?It's hard to convince her that what she knows is wrong because she's a hypochondriac and dramatizes all her symptoms. Last year she threw a fit when she couldn't stop coughing from the common cold.. calling her doctor and almost crying about it. Keifer mentioned on his podcast a year or 2 ago.. on how his diet failed for people like this because on the front, they'd be showing that they are following the diet.. but turning out they are cheating way more than they are supposed to; which could be due to some kind of underlying psychology factor.Even with my brother, he's a marathon runner, and has a completely opposite diet than what I have. Says he gets muscle from running these marathons. I personally think his diet is off the wall, since he's more concerned with calories consumption rather than macros percentages. He gains weight too easily, and persistently has to run to keep it off refusing any advice or tips I can offer. For most people, it's hard to convince people who are obese to follow this diet. You have to think about the reasons why they got that way. They go with compromises after compromises, reading all the misinformation out there because they come in masses and are SO easy to get to; whereas all the research Keifer puts into the diet comes from backend research papers that you have to pay for, or know someone who has access to it, or at least understand the medical information that can be converted to layman terms.

    #211407

    Brandon D Christ
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    Excellent post cloudybrain.  I think you pretty much nailed it.  Personally, I just try to lead by example.  I was able to get my sister on CNS and she did very well.  Unfortunately she relapsed, but at least she knows how to lose weight in a relatively painless way.

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