Hypertrophic Potentiator

[HarryAinslie]

Hi all,Finally starting Carb Backloading. Just made the post workout shake according to the book but it seems like I've way too much powder in there. Is this about right?

[TCB]

That looks like WAY too much stuff. How did you measure?

[HarryAinslie]

That looks like WAY too much stuff. How did you measure?

Hi mate, I thought it was too much, in all my years of bodybuilding i never had a shake like that! I thought this Keifer fella was a machine!!!  ;D300mg Caffeine30g Whey isolate25g Casein30g Hydrolysate5g LeucineI got these supplements from MyProtein.co.uk if this helps.

[Richard Schmitt]

This was used on a scale to measure out the grams?

[TCB]

That looks like WAY too much stuff. How did you measure?

Hi mate, I thought it was too much, in all my years of bodybuilding i never had a shake like that! I thought this Keifer fella was a machine!!!  ;D300mg Caffeine30g Whey isolate25g Casein30g Hydrolysate5g LeucineI got these supplements from MyProtein.co.uk if this helps.

First, you can probably just drop the caffeine, it's not necessary PWO.Second, I can't find my copy of CBL, but those numbers sound high. I haven't made the actual shake from the book in a long time, but I seem to remember it being like 20g WPI, 10g casein/hydro etc or something.Can't really remember. These days I just do 20-30g of WPI + 10g WPH + 5g leucine + 5-10g creatine + electrolytes. Then stuff to make it taste good 😀

[Brandon D Christ]

That is the actual shake from the book and yea it's a shit ton of powder.  I personally would go with just 20 g of whey, 10 g of a hydrolysate, and 5 g of leucine. I wouldn't say drop the caffeine because it does have benefits with insulin resistance.  However, it's not worth it if it keeps you up at night.

[HarryAinslie]

Hi Lads, I think that photo shows it better!

This was used on a scale to measure out the grams?

After years of BB, i ain't that stupid. LoL G

That looks like WAY too much stuff. How did you measure?

First, you can probably just drop the caffeine, it's not necessary PWO.Second, I can't find my copy of CBL, but those numbers sound high. I haven't made the actual shake from the book in a long time, but I seem to remember it being like 20g WPI, 10g casein/hydro etc or something.Can't really remember. These days I just do 20-30g of WPI + 10g WPH + 5g leucine + 5-10g creatine + electrolytes. Then stuff to make it taste good 😀Those guidelines that i gave were from the book mate! So that's not wrong! With regards to the caffeine not being necessary, Keifer specifically states that the caffeine is added "to increase the rate at which glycogen stores refill"

That is the actual shake from the book and yea it's a shit ton of powder.  I personally would go with just 20 g of whey, 10 g of a hydrolysate, and 5 g of leucine. I wouldn't say drop the caffeine because it does have benefits with insulin resistance.  However, it's not worth it if it keeps you up at night.

I train at 9am so the caffeine is done and gone by then!I think i've come to the conclusion that this shake is supposed to be a badass shake and those measurements are in fact, correct

[Brandon D Christ]

I don't think there's anything wrong with it and if you don't mind paying for all of those protein powders, the go for it.  However, if it were me, I'd rather spend that money on other things, like higher quality food.  Just something to keep in mind.

[Richard Schmitt]

I wasn't meaning to call you stupid, but just saying that's a lot. I almost forget how much volume there is with the actual shake.

[HarryAinslie]

Thanks for all your help lads, i really do appreciate it! I've taken all points on board too, so it hasn't fell on deaf ears.I understand that it's a lot of powder which comes at a great price these days. I've bought the stuff now so far better use it. I'm guessing that when you guys started you bought all this too? If so, how long was it until you stopped using it all?

[Richard Schmitt]

Thanks for all your help lads, i really do appreciate it! I've taken all points on board too, so it hasn't fell on deaf ears.I understand that it's a lot of powder which comes at a great price these days. I've bought the stuff now so far better use it. I'm guessing that when you guys started you bought all this too? If so, how long was it until you stopped using it all?

Yes sir, I sure did at one point. It was after an old old old podcast Kiefer mentioned what to use if on budget (if I recall correctly) Getting whey isolate, and/or Hydrolysis whey with leucine and creatine is just as ideal.

[Brandon D Christ]

Thanks for all your help lads, i really do appreciate it! I've taken all points on board too, so it hasn't fell on deaf ears.I understand that it's a lot of powder which comes at a great price these days. I've bought the stuff now so far better use it. I'm guessing that when you guys started you bought all this too? If so, how long was it until you stopped using it all?

I never used the formula verbatim.  I did use a very similar one though.  I have now switched to an intra-workout shake and a small whey shake post workout.  That works much better than having just a post workout shake.

[agentmads]

Thanks for all your help lads, i really do appreciate it! I've taken all points on board too, so it hasn't fell on deaf ears.I understand that it's a lot of powder which comes at a great price these days. I've bought the stuff now so far better use it. I'm guessing that when you guys started you bought all this too? If so, how long was it until you stopped using it all?

I never used the formula verbatim.  I did use a very similar one though.  I have now switched to an intra-workout shake and a small whey shake post workout.  That works much better than having just a post workout shake.

And what do you got in that intra-workout shake then, ibob?

[Brandon D Christ]

Thanks for all your help lads, i really do appreciate it! I've taken all points on board too, so it hasn't fell on deaf ears.I understand that it's a lot of powder which comes at a great price these days. I've bought the stuff now so far better use it. I'm guessing that when you guys started you bought all this too? If so, how long was it until you stopped using it all?

I never used the formula verbatim.  I did use a very similar one though.  I have now switched to an intra-workout shake and a small whey shake post workout.  That works much better than having just a post workout shake.

And what do you got in that intra-workout shake then, ibob?

15-20 g of casein hydrolysate25-40 g of HBCD3 g of leucine2.5 g of beta alanineWhen my workload is the highest I use more HBCD.  When I am experiencing soreness from workouts I increase the amount of casein hydrolysate. 

[agentmads]

Alright. I don't really understand the intra workout nutrition, because I was of the understanding that if insulin is spiked, one would not be able to access the glycogen in the muscles as efficiently. What Kiefer referred to as The Hulk Effect. Can you clarify this for me?

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