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Contrary to popular belief you dont need 50-60g of protein PWO. 20-30 is actually enough to kick start MPS. That + Leucine + Carbs and MPS is kicking like crazy.
I agree with this. Especially if you are adding leucine in the mix, 20-30 g is all you need. The carbs only offer a tiny benefit too, but since you are backloading there isn't much of a reason to add them in with the shake.
I don't buy it. The real reason is you just prefer to gnaw on the flesh of dead animals, isn't it? 😛
Contrary to popular belief you dont need 50-60g of protein PWO. 20-30 is actually enough to kick start MPS. That + Leucine + Carbs and MPS is kicking like crazy.
I agree with this. Especially if you are adding leucine in the mix, 20-30 g is all you need. The carbs only offer a tiny benefit too, but since you are backloading there isn't much of a reason to add them in with the shake.
I don't buy it. The real reason is you just prefer to gnaw on the flesh of dead animals, isn't it? 😛
Haha, well you do bring up a good point. If you are too lazy to eat whole food protein in the backload, then taking 80 g of protein powder would actually be a good idea. Kiefer actually said this is ok to do, however I think a little bit of protein powder and some whole food protein in the backload is superior to just taking a shit load of protein powder.
Contrary to popular belief you dont need 50-60g of protein PWO. 20-30 is actually enough to kick start MPS. That + Leucine + Carbs and MPS is kicking like crazy.
I agree with this. Especially if you are adding leucine in the mix, 20-30 g is all you need. The carbs only offer a tiny benefit too, but since you are backloading there isn't much of a reason to add them in with the shake.
Good to know
He does indeed, whole foods are less than optimal for starting the MPS process PWO. This is because the body takes longer to digest them. Ideally we have pretty empty stomachs during the training session. Throw in some Isolated and/or Hydrolyzed Protein, and your body is digesting that in the now lol. Then go eat your animals, living, dead, cooked, raw, however you do you! 😮
He does indeed, whole foods are less than optimal for starting the MPS process PWO. This is because the body takes longer to digest them. Ideally we have pretty empty stomachs during the training session. Throw in some Isolated and/or Hydrolyzed Protein, and your body is digesting that in the now lol. Then go eat your animals, living, dead, cooked, raw, however you do you! 😮
This is where it gets interesting. And where I think some people go weird.IF you ARE training fasted I would agree that a quickish PWO protein source would be a good idea. IF however you are NOT training fasted (I never train fasted) then I dont think theres necessarily any real benefit from a quick digesting protein supplement. Whatever was eaten during the day pre-workout is still doing its thing and just having a normal meal of protein will keep things ticking along. The Net effect of Whey protein on muscle growth is pretty small when compared to whole food proteins or even Casein supplements.
He does indeed, whole foods are less than optimal for starting the MPS process PWO. This is because the body takes longer to digest them. Ideally we have pretty empty stomachs during the training session. Throw in some Isolated and/or Hydrolyzed Protein, and your body is digesting that in the now lol. Then go eat your animals, living, dead, cooked, raw, however you do you! 😮
This is where it gets interesting. And where I think some people go weird.IF you ARE training fasted I would agree that a quickish PWO protein source would be a good idea. IF however you are NOT training fasted (I never train fasted) then I dont think theres necessarily any real benefit from a quick digesting protein supplement. Whatever was eaten during the day pre-workout is still doing its thing and just having a normal meal of protein will keep things ticking along. The Net effect of Whey protein on muscle growth is pretty small when compared to whole food proteins or even Casein supplements.
i agree and have found a lot of good information regarding the benefits of pre-workout protein opposed to post workout.. also many reason why training with protein pre-workout can be better in terms of fatloss for you as well
He does indeed, whole foods are less than optimal for starting the MPS process PWO. This is because the body takes longer to digest them. Ideally we have pretty empty stomachs during the training session. Throw in some Isolated and/or Hydrolyzed Protein, and your body is digesting that in the now lol. Then go eat your animals, living, dead, cooked, raw, however you do you! 😮
You're a sick bastard. 😉But I'm almost always in the camp of whole food is better than liquid food. EXCEPT immediately PWO. But really, not much protein (like in ibob's PWO) is needed to get something going right away, then go get yourself some animal. (DEAD animal, CBach..)
Yea I deff dont think much is needed PWO, but as a kick starter for the body's MPS I think its important to get some in. And I didnt mean training fasted, I was referencing an “empty stomach” being that your last meal was 2-3 hours ago. Some may view that as fasted I guess but I personally don't. I do believe that most of your last meal is digested, but working as fuel in your body though.
Yea I deff dont think much is needed PWO, but as a kick starter for the body's MPS I think its important to get some in. And I didnt mean training fasted, I was referencing an "empty stomach" being that your last meal was 2-3 hours ago. Some may view that as fasted I guess but I personally don't. I do believe that most of your last meal is digested, but working as fuel in your body though.
To me fasting means going without food when you are hungry. IMO if you are not hungry, youre not technically fasting. Think about it. Hunger is one way of the body saying "umm Im running on empty here, give me something to work with!". If you aint hungry your body has done 1 of 2 things IMO. Its either 1. fully fed or 2. has down regulated metabolism adaptively to match low energy intake.
I got all the ingredients for the pwo shake that keifer recommends…..omg! I almost puked…nastiest thing ive ever tasted haha.
Haha i share basically the same view, thats why I was arguing the fact the the situation was changed from training on an empty stomach, to training fasted. I was simply meaning that your stomach didnt have ground beed and brocolli sitting in it, allowing for the PWO shake to be absorbed and digested faster. ;D
I got all the ingredients for the pwo shake that keifer recommends.....omg! I almost puked...nastiest thing ive ever tasted haha.
Its my understanding that those recommendations have changed. I very well could be wrong (someone please correct me if i am) though, but I thought that the views of mixing Caffeine and Creatine had been changed to being a not so good idea.
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