In the prep phase and have lots of questions….

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    ODiesel
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    Hey everyone. A little about myself first. I'm 6'4" and currently weighing in at 319 lbs. I have a lot of bodyfat, but I have a decent amount of muscle too. I used to play rugby until I broke my knee cap. I want to play rugby again and I also need to slim down to take pressure off my knees. I have a feeling that when I get back down to 240 I'll look better than the 240 I was at a few years ago because of having more muscle. But, I'm having trouble getting rid of stubborn bodyfat. I did find Carb-Nite though and I'm sold. A few guys at my gym (i go to a crossfit gym where I do 5/3/1 then a short-heavy CF Football WoD) do Carb Backloading and they are sold on the man behind it and the programs. I started my 10-day prep phase on Monday 1/21. But, I have a lot of questions. 1)My prep phase ends on Wednesday 1/30. However, my parents are throwing a Super Bowl party and there will be all kinds of carb-rich foods that I want to scarf down. Would it hurt anything to stretch my prep phase to Sunday 2/3 or should I go ahead and Carb Nite on the 10th day and then Carb Nite early for the Super Bowl? 4 days isn't enough time from what I understand between Carb Nite's. 2) I've learned through this forum that eating breakfast is not good. I've been eating sausage patties  for breakfast, but I guess I'll try to cut breakfast out. It'll be hard since I get so hungry before lunch. I read about the coffee recommendation, but I absolutely hate coffee and really any hot beverage. Is there a good substitute? For lunch I've been eating ground turkey with cheese and some veggies (leafy greens or broccoli) on the side. Is this ok for a lunch? I pretty much have the same thing for dinner. Meat and broccoli. 3) Where does high carb fried food stand for carb nites? I love stuff like mozzarella sticks and such. That's probably one of the reasons I'm in the state I am. 4) How is mexican food for a carb nite? I'm talking a basket of tortilla chips, salsa, queso, tortillas and then enchiladas with two sides of mexican rice (i never eat the beans). 5) I'm doing Wendler's 5/3/1. Two weeks ago I deadlifted 385 for 10 reps. Today I could barely muster 6 reps with 365. Is this common for that big of a strength drop? Then I deadlifted 465 (which is 20 pounds below my opener at my last powerlifting meet this past October) and it was a struggle to get it up. I have a PL meet on March 30, but I really don't want to compete at super heavy again. I'm sorry to just bombard you guys with questions like this. I've done a lot of reading on the forums and on DH and other places (Kiefer has a lot of articles on various websites. I first learned about Carb Nite on mensfitness.com) and I'm the kind of person that for some reason just has more questions after I get answers. I guess I want to do it right and not waste my time or energy doing it wrong or half-assed. Thank you!

    #139526

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Hey everyone. A little about myself first. I'm 6'4" and currently weighing in at 319 lbs. I have a lot of bodyfat, but I have a decent amount of muscle too. I used to play rugby until I broke my knee cap. I want to play rugby again and I also need to slim down to take pressure off my knees. I have a feeling that when I get back down to 240 I'll look better than the 240 I was at a few years ago because of having more muscle. But, I'm having trouble getting rid of stubborn bodyfat. I did find Carb-Nite though and I'm sold. A few guys at my gym (i go to a crossfit gym where I do 5/3/1 then a short-heavy CF Football WoD) do Carb Backloading and they are sold on the man behind it and the programs. I started my 10-day prep phase on Monday 1/21. But, I have a lot of questions. 1)My prep phase ends on Wednesday 1/30. However, my parents are throwing a Super Bowl party and there will be all kinds of carb-rich foods that I want to scarf down. Would it hurt anything to stretch my prep phase to Sunday 2/3 or should I go ahead and Carb Nite on the 10th day and then Carb Nite early for the Super Bowl? 4 days isn't enough time from what I understand between Carb Nite's. No it wouldn't hurt to stretch it out till then2) I've learned through this forum that eating breakfast is not good. I've been eating sausage patties  for breakfast, but I guess I'll try to cut breakfast out. It'll be hard since I get so hungry before lunch. I read about the coffee recommendation, but I absolutely hate coffee and really any hot beverage. Is there a good substitute? For lunch I've been eating ground turkey with cheese and some veggies (leafy greens or broccoli) on the side. Is this ok for a lunch? I pretty much have the same thing for dinner. Meat and broccoli. You can just eat the coconut oil by itself, coffee helps with appetite suppressant mostly. For the ULC meal, try going with a .5g Fat/1g Protein ratio (can up the fats if you want as well) so go with actual beef instead of ground turkey. Green veggies are ok, just make sure you don't go over 30g of usable carbs a day and no more than 10g per meal. With reading the forums a bit, you'll know about dairy correct?3) Where does high carb fried food stand for carb nites? I love stuff like mozzarella sticks and such. That's probably one of the reasons I'm in the state I am. Any time to be honest. However most of us start low in fat and gradually move towards fattier foods as the evening progresses.4) How is mexican food for a carb nite? I'm talking a basket of tortilla chips, salsa, queso, tortillas and then enchiladas with two sides of mexican rice (i never eat the beans). Perfect5) I'm doing Wendler's 5/3/1. Two weeks ago I deadlifted 385 for 10 reps. Today I could barely muster 6 reps with 365. Is this common for that big of a strength drop? Then I deadlifted 465 (which is 20 pounds below my opener at my last powerlifting meet this past October) and it was a struggle to get it up. I have a PL meet on March 30, but I really don't want to compete at super heavy again. Yes strength will go up and down, as long as you're making continuous progress I wouldn't worry. If you begin to stall, dial the 1RM back 5-10lbs and go from there.I'm sorry to just bombard you guys with questions like this. I've done a lot of reading on the forums and on DH and other places (Kiefer has a lot of articles on various websites. I first learned about Carb Nite on mensfitness.com) and I'm the kind of person that for some reason just has more questions after I get answers. I guess I want to do it right and not waste my time or energy doing it wrong or half-assed. Thank you!

    #139527

    Robert Gray
    Participant

    2) I've learned through this forum that eating breakfast is not good. I've been eating sausage patties  for breakfast, but I guess I'll try to cut breakfast out. It'll be hard since I get so hungry before lunch. I read about the coffee recommendation, but I absolutely hate coffee and really any hot beverage. Is there a good substitute? For lunch I've been eating ground turkey with cheese and some veggies (leafy greens or broccoli) on the side. Is this ok for a lunch? I pretty much have the same thing for dinner. Meat and broccoli.

    Nowhere in CNS does Kiefer say you should skip breakfast.  You don't need to skip breakfast unless you're seeking optimum results from CBL, not CNS.  I eat eggs with meat and cheese almost every day for breakfast.

    #139528

    ODiesel
    Guest

    Ok, I've been reading this forum and seen a few people recommend skipping breakfast on CN. And Big Tex I do know about dairy, but I'm going to give it a go for a bit with dairy because well, I love cheese. That's the only dairy I'm getting and it really helps break up the boringness of just ground beef. I see in some of the recipe videos that parmesan cheese is added a lot, is this a good alternative to regular cheese? I could do that. I'm not sure on the carb content of broccoli. I don't think I'd eat enough of it to get too many carbs. I've been keeping track and I'm anywhere from 10-25g of carbs a day. As for the ground turkey. It has 15g of fat per serving and 19g of protein. The ground beef I have has 30g of fat and 17g of protein per serving. I'm a single dad on a budget so I have to buy the stuff from Wal-Mart, can't afford grass fed.

    #139529

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Ok, I've been reading this forum and seen a few people recommend skipping breakfast on CN. And Big Tex I do know about dairy, but I'm going to give it a go for a bit with dairy because well, I love cheese. That's the only dairy I'm getting and it really helps break up the boringness of just ground beef. I see in some of the recipe videos that parmesan cheese is added a lot, is this a good alternative to regular cheese? I could do that. I'm not sure on the carb content of broccoli. I don't think I'd eat enough of it to get too many carbs. I've been keeping track and I'm anywhere from 10-25g of carbs a day. As for the ground turkey. It has 15g of fat per serving and 19g of protein. The ground beef I have has 30g of fat and 17g of protein per serving. I'm a single dad on a budget so I have to buy the stuff from Wal-Mart, can't afford grass fed.

    I understand sir, by all means use it. I wish I could enjoy regular cheese as well. The only substitute is to remove it, or try goat cheese. It's much more expensive though. Oh I didn't mean to buy grass fed I can't afford that either. I do have to get the leaner cuts because of my conditions but go with what works for you. I fully understand that situation as well

    #139530

    ODiesel
    Guest

    I guess I'm just confused about the fat to protein ratio. I thought the ground turkey I was buying had a better ratio. I can typically put back a lot of food. I'm a big guy and I've always tried to lift and workout hard. So is it possible to overdo the carb nite? Because I mean I could go for Mexican at 5 and then at 730 I could probably toss down some pizza and then around 9 I can probably toss down some ice cream and cookies.

    #139531

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    I guess I'm just confused about the fat to protein ratio. I thought the ground turkey I was buying had a better ratio. I can typically put back a lot of food. I'm a big guy and I've always tried to lift and workout hard. So is it possible to overdo the carb nite? Because I mean I could go for Mexican at 5 and then at 730 I could probably toss down some pizza and then around 9 I can probably toss down some ice cream and cookies.

    .5g Fat and 1g Protein per BW is a good place to start for ULC meals. Can't really tell you how to eat on a CN as long as you do for 6-8 hours. Experimenting is the best bet

    #139532

    ODiesel
    Guest

    Ok sorry for being stupid, but that just confused me. .5g/1g of fat/protein per pound of bodyweight a meal? That doesn't seem possible. Or did I misread what you said? Oh jesus. I just read up on the content of broccoli. It has a lot of carbs (am i supposed to do the whole subtract fiber from carbs thing? I always look at straight carbs) and I have eaten some broccoli with every meal over the last week. I hope I didn't screw myself over and have to restart my prep phase. I really don't want to restart the prep phase. Haha.

    #139533

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    For the entire day. Also a good ratio to use for each ULC meal as well.

    #139534

    Phatty
    Member

    Ok sorry for being stupid, but that just confused me. .5g/1g of fat/protein per pound of bodyweight a meal? That doesn't seem possible. Or did I misread what you said? Oh jesus. I just read up on the content of broccoli. It has a lot of carbs (am i supposed to do the whole subtract fiber from carbs thing? I always look at straight carbs) and I have eaten some broccoli with every meal over the last week. I hope I didn't screw myself over and have to restart my prep phase. I really don't want to restart the prep phase. Haha.

    About a kilo of mince beef and 250g bacon should set you pretty close to 300g of protein for day.Make up the fats when needed with butter/coconut oil.

    #139535

    ODiesel
    Guest

    So did I screw myself with broccoli?

    #139536

    Phatty
    Member

    So did I screw myself with broccoli?

    Probably not. The frozen broccoli I get lists 1.1g of carbs per 100g.Unless you ate 2.8kg of broccoli a day, or the broccoli you ate was sugar coated, I'd say you're fine.

    #139537

    ODiesel
    Guest

    So did I screw myself with broccoli?

    Probably not. The frozen broccoli I get lists 1.1g of carbs per 100g.Unless you ate 2.8kg of broccoli a day, or the broccoli you ate was sugar coated, I'd say you're fine.

    Ok good then. I haven't eaten that much but I remember one day I did eat an entire head of broccoli with lunch. So the coffee is an appetite suppressant? Well I just can't get into hot drinks and don't like the taste of coffee. I do drink coke zero though. I take it I probably need to kick that habit though right? All the fake sugar and what not probably messes with my ability to lose fat doesn't it? I do have some decaf green tea though.

    #139538

    ODiesel
    Guest

    I'm on Day 7 of the prep phase and I have the world's worst headache that refuses to go away. I also just feel like laying down and doing nothing. Is this normal towards the tail end of the prep phase? Ugh, because of the Super Bowl I have to stretch another 7 days.

    #139539

    Richard Schmitt
    Moderator

    Yes it's the Keto Flu

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