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This may be a dumb question, but I can't seem to find a specific answer.Is there any advantage (or disadvantage?) to an insulin spike in the evening on days you do NOT train and do NOT load carbs? ???
This may be a dumb question, but I can't seem to find a specific answer.Is there any advantage (or disadvantage?) to an insulin spike in the evening on days you do NOT train and do NOT load carbs? ???
Depends on which protocol your following, but with you on CNS, there is a disadvantage because you're controlling insulin to lose body fat.
This may be a dumb question, but I can't seem to find a specific answer.Is there any advantage (or disadvantage?) to an insulin spike in the evening on days you do NOT train and do NOT load carbs? ???
ensuring that glycogen stores are topped off for the following day when you actually do train, creating a anabolic environment for muscles to continue recovering from your previous training session although risking fat gain also.
Depends on which protocol your following, but with you on CNS, there is a disadvantage because you're controlling insulin to lose body fat.
Thanks Tex, but what is the disadvantage? Obviously, insulin spikes are desirable when CBLing or on an actual carb nite, but I can't find anything about an evening spike in the absence of carbs.From The Carb Nite Solution:"An insulin spike, however, only temporarily stops fat burning, but the resulting hormonal afterglow accelerates body-fat burning for days.""Insulin spikes—which everyone thinks dreadful—accelerate metabolism, initiate the emptying of fat cells and prevent long-term weight gain."
In my own personal experience I have found no advantage to spiking insulin on a non training day. When I have I felt like crap obviously because the timing was off.
In my own personal experience I have found no advantage to spiking insulin on a non training day. When I have I felt like crap obviously because the timing was off.
Interesting. How did you accomplish the spike?
Depends on which protocol your following, but with you on CNS, there is a disadvantage because you're controlling insulin to lose body fat.
Thanks Tex, but what is the disadvantage? Obviously, insulin spikes are desirable when CBLing or on an actual carb nite, but I can't find anything about an evening spike in the absence of carbs.From The Carb Nite Solution:"An insulin spike, however, only temporarily stops fat burning, but the resulting hormonal afterglow accelerates body-fat burning for days.""Insulin spikes—which everyone thinks dreadful—accelerate metabolism, initiate the emptying of fat cells and prevent long-term weight gain."
I ddon't have the book in front of me, but I would aassume there is more to that quote in regards to the actual CN.
I ddon't have the book in front of me, but I would aassume there is more to that quote in regards to the actual CN.
Lol, yer stuttering... 😀It's actually two quotes, here's the whole paragraph with the first one (page 25):"But we can’t ignore the common fault: neither diet—low-carb or ultralow-carb—spikes insulin levels. This is incredibly important. The body produces the hormone insulin in response to a carb-rich meal; insulin then helps the body use carbohydrates for energy. Since both diets limit the intake of carbs, both diets limit the release of insulin. Low-carb enthusiasts flaunt this as an advantage, since elevated levels of insulin often mean little fat burning. An insulin spike, however, only temporarily stops fat burning, but the resulting hormonal afterglow accelerates body-fat burning for days."Here's the text immediately surrounding the second quote (page 55), it's a rather large paragraph:"In their attempts to disgrace Classical Carbs, current experts ignore the most powerful effects: increasing metabolism, burning fat (once insulin levels fall), satisfying hunger and raising leptin levels. Insulin spikes—which everyone thinks dreadful—accelerate metabolism, initiate the emptying of fat cells and prevent long-term weight gain. Does this sound wicked to you? These spikes ultimately tell fat cells to empty out and reveal the figure you've been dieting to see."
It depends on the frequency of the spikes though. As well as the timing.Assuming you do it without carbs and not when training, it will mostly just stop fat burning for a period of time. It wont really cause negative effects, but it wont cause really in benefit either.
It depends on the frequency of the spikes though. As well as the timing.Assuming you do it without carbs and not when training, it will mostly just stop fat burning for a period of time. It wont really cause negative effects, but it wont cause really in benefit either.
Ok, thanks Trevor (and Tex).I was just reading some of the Carb Shock threads earlier and started wondering whether it might give any benefit on days without carbs/training. And then I couldn't find any info that seemed to answer the question. 😀
Pretty much what Trevor says, except you also have the potential to store fat while insulin is elevated as well. Also for those with insulin issues, your insulin levels could remain elevated for a lot longer than you may think.The hormonal "afterglow" is a result from a Carb Nite after a week of keeping insulin levels very low. A small spike when you had a CN a few days ago will not do anything.This all being said, for a small segment of the population, I think nightly sans carbs insulin spikes could be very useful to be people are very lean and very insulin sensitive.
This all being said, for a small segment of the population, I think nightly sans carbs insulin spikes could be very useful to be people are very lean and very insulin sensitive.
Interesting. Would you expect that to help decrease sensitivity, or just accelerate metabolism?
This all being said, for a small segment of the population, I think nightly sans carbs insulin spikes could be very useful to be people are very lean and very insulin sensitive.
Interesting. Would you expect that to help decrease sensitivity, or just accelerate metabolism?
Neither it mostly comes down to maintaining muscle on a low calorie diet. At least that's what I understand. I'm not super knowledgable on the topic but I know many coaches, kiefer included, that do this with their physique athletes.
This all being said, for a small segment of the population, I think nightly sans carbs insulin spikes could be very useful to be people are very lean and very insulin sensitive.
Interesting. Would you expect that to help decrease sensitivity, or just accelerate metabolism?
Neither it mostly comes down to maintaining muscle on a low calorie diet. At least that's what I understand. I'm not super knowledgable on the topic but I know many coaches, kiefer included, that do this with their physique athletes.
In prep my coach would have me drink casein/whey blend with a TBS of Almond Butter every night before bed. It's to help stave off catabolism from the readily accesible aminos along with the fat for the slow digestion while you rest.
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