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Not sure how credible this guy is, but he is an M.D. In the article (see link), he states the following:"Some people with a little learning may be quick to point out that protein drives insulin up as well. This is true, but with a catch. Protein drives both insulin and glucagon up, so you don’t have the pure insulin effect. Only carbs will give you that. With carbs, insulin goes up while glucagon goes down. With meat and other proteins, the effects of the elevated insulin are muted by the concomitant rise in glucagon. (Glucagon isn’t called insulin’s counter-regulatory hormone for nothing.)"http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/I'm only a layperson, but seems to indicate that glucagon blunts the effect of protein ingestion on insulin. This might help settle those concerned with insulin spikes from protein use in coffee, etc.Would love to get Kiefer's take. Hope this is helpful.
I would guess thats why i wouldnt get stalled even when I consumed lots of protein with very little fat.
Not sure how credible this guy is, but he is an M.D. In the article (see link), he states the following:"Some people with a little learning may be quick to point out that protein drives insulin up as well. This is true, but with a catch. Protein drives both insulin and glucagon up, so you don’t have the pure insulin effect. Only carbs will give you that. With carbs, insulin goes up while glucagon goes down. With meat and other proteins, the effects of the elevated insulin are muted by the concomitant rise in glucagon. (Glucagon isn’t called insulin’s counter-regulatory hormone for nothing.)"http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/I'm only a layperson, but seems to indicate that glucagon blunts the effect of protein ingestion on insulin. This might help settle those concerned with insulin spikes from protein use in coffee, etc.Would love to get Kiefer's take. Hope this is helpful.
We've discussed this before. Ketogenesis is still effected, regardless of the glucagon. Eating protein causes the glucagon response. It's actually insulin that counter acts glucagon, not the inverse.
Not sure how credible this guy is, but he is an M.D. In the article (see link), he states the following:"Some people with a little learning may be quick to point out that protein drives insulin up as well. This is true, but with a catch. Protein drives both insulin and glucagon up, so you don’t have the pure insulin effect. Only carbs will give you that. With carbs, insulin goes up while glucagon goes down. With meat and other proteins, the effects of the elevated insulin are muted by the concomitant rise in glucagon. (Glucagon isn’t called insulin’s counter-regulatory hormone for nothing.)"http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/I'm only a layperson, but seems to indicate that glucagon blunts the effect of protein ingestion on insulin. This might help settle those concerned with insulin spikes from protein use in coffee, etc.Would love to get Kiefer's take. Hope this is helpful.
We've discussed this before. Ketogenesis is still effected, regardless of the glucagon. Eating protein causes the glucagon response. It's actually insulin that counter acts glucagon, not the inverse.
So then there's really not much that can be done to negate the insulin spike from protein/amino acid ingestion? Am I understanding that right? If that's the case, I would think those only thing that may help is to ingest the protein with fat...
Correct, you can't really do to much. Just don't worry about it.
Except maybe experiement with backloading your protein (i.e shift more towards the end of the day) but I doubt it'd make much difference.
Just saw a quote from Layne Norton last night that, paraphrased, said something along the lines that people worry too much about insulin release from protein and BCAA's.. He basically said if it was truly a large insulin spike, then we'd see people going hypoglycemic after taking BCAA or having an only protein meal, and that doesn't really happen.Thought it was an interesting way to think about it.
Just saw a quote from Layne Norton last night that, paraphrased, said something along the lines that people worry too much about insulin release from protein and BCAA's.. He basically said if it was truly a large insulin spike, then we'd see people going hypoglycemic after taking BCAA or having an only protein meal, and that doesn't really happen.Thought it was an interesting way to think about it.
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