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Hi everyone!I figured this is the best place to ask this question, since most/all of you have actual experience with this protocol.I have recently learned about this diet. Seems like people are getting results.My question is this... do you think a lacto-ovo-vegetarian would be a good candidate for CBL?Also, my diet is clean and healthy. I actually enjoy eating this way, it doesn't feel like a huge sacrifice. Occasional junk food is cool with me, for sure... but I don't believe in the whole "eat junk, look great" philosophy. Not that it can't be done, it probably can. I just don't think it's good for your body.I know there are many proponents of carb is carb and your body doesn't care where it came from. I think in the long run, your body does care.So... would you guys say that someone like me would be able to follow the CBL principles? Or is junk "required"?Any help would be appreciated.Thank you.
Junk isn't required.My main sources of carbs are sweet and white potatoes, white rice, tubers.The big thing to remember with being lacto-ovo is you need to have you protein and fats at 1:1 ratio by gram and most people do best with most of their dietary fat coming from animal sources.I think there are a few other threads about people doing it lacto-ovo, you should search for them and see if you can get some advice from it.
Thank you, Trevor.I tried searching first before I had asked... no results. Tried "vegetarian" and also "lacto"... nothing.To reach 1:1 ratio between protein and fat... do you think it can be done by combining cottage cheese, eggs, cream, protein powder with oils, nut butters and avocados?
It's best to avoid dairy proteins as main protein sources during the ULC.Whey, cottage cheese, milk, and low fat cheese (cheese is okay, just not when used to get protein.)Using nut butters and avocados works, nut oils/butters are okay, but animal fats still work best.Eggs are good, but they will cause a insulin spike if consumed a lone, so always have them with a good source of fat.If you are okay with using butter, using grass-fed butter is perfect, coconut products are great because they are saturated fats, and red palm oil is great because it's mostly saturated as well.
Sounds like it might be doable then.I do prefer almond butter over regular butter, but I could incorporate it. Love coconut oil.Since more than half of egg calories comes from fat, I figured it was enough. So I would need to add more fat.. no problem.Could you tell me why butter/animal fat would be better than coconut/avocado/almond/egg yolk?What is ULC?Thanks for your help.
ULC is ultra low carb.And the reason for pairing eggs with extra fat and avoiding dairy during ULC part of the day is because both of them, even full fat dairy are very insulinogenic because they are higher in leucine.During the ULC part of the day you want to avoid spiking insulin so you don't stop fat burning.
I see… thanks for taking the time and explaining it to me.ULC refers to the first part of the day, before workout or evening on a non workout day.
I would seriously consider listening to all of the Podcasts. Kiefer talks extensively warning about vegetarian diets. The effects on your hormones and general well-being. I mean good for you and if you feel good then continue by all means. Honestly getting the amount of carbs necessary from all vegetarian foods is probably impossible. Especially since you cant eat fruit. I don't want to be the negative person, I'm just giving you the other side. Other than that Welcome
I would seriously consider listening to all of the Podcasts. Kiefer talks extensively warning about vegetarian diets. The effects on your hormones and general well-being. I mean good for you and if you feel good then continue by all means. Honestly getting the amount of carbs necessary from all vegetarian foods is probably impossible. Especially since you cant eat fruit. I don't want to be the negative person, I'm just giving you the other side. Other than that Welcome
I do agree with checking them out, and that despite what CW has led most people to believe a vegetarian diet isn't the healthiest diet there is, far from it in fact.I did it for vegan for 2 weeks once, it was horrid, I tried to just do a lacto-ovo thing after that, and my health still suffered greatly, but if you like it and really can't imagine changing it then it will just require some extra work.Getting all your carbs from clean sources is easy, it's protein and fat that becomes hard.Also, I just thought I would throw it out there just in case.Don't use soy anything, ever. It's shit.
I have been at it for over 18 years and I feel just fine 😉To be honest, I always stay away from these types of debates. Both camps have their followers, gurus, research backing it up, yadda yadda. I was hoping this thread wouldn't turn into one of them.I absolutely fail to understand how a vegetarian diet could possibly hinder eating enough carbs.. but that's just me.As far as soy... I disagree with these across the board statements. Fermented soy is totally fine (tempeh). Non fermented soy (tofu, soy milk, all the fake meats).. I agree with you Trevor.. that stuff is not good for you at all.Thanks again.
It's true, fermented soy is okay, I just get so sick of dealing with people that tell me all soy is healthy for them (mostly woman who were told to eat tofu by their doctor, SMH) I just got to where I say avoid soy.I agree on avoid arguments, unless someone tells me I'm gonna get cancer and die from eating meat, haha.I was mostly wanting to make a point about eating carbs, I agree with you on that since most vegetarian diets are mostly carbs.I have a question regarding this though.What defines a lacto-ovo-vegetarian? I've heard so many different things I gave up on trying to follow.
Honestly getting the amount of carbs necessary from all vegetarian foods is probably impossible.
This is the comment I was referring to when I said that I fail to understand how a vegetarian diet could possibly make it hard to get enough carbs. If anything, it's the opposite. A lot of vegetarians eat too much carbs and not enough protein.As far as your vegan experiment, Trevor.. it might be that your body was going through a radical change. Or possibly you were not doing it right? I mean even here, with CBL.. the initial phase is hard on some people. Whenever there is a major change in diet, the body has to adjust.You are right.. there are so many definitions, I don't follow them either. I think technically lacto-ovo means that you choose to eat eggs and dairy. My own guideline is.. if it has a mother and/or eyeballs, I'm staying away from it 😉
I was simply referring to amount of simple carbs that can cause the necessary reaction. I totally agree that you can get enough carbs from white rice, sweet potatoes and other clean carbs. This is the classic debate...with 18 years of experience I think you hold the trump card.
And the reason for pairing eggs with extra fat and avoiding dairy during ULC part of the day is because both of them, even full fat dairy are very insulinogenic because they are higher in leucine.
Trevor, I was trying to look up more information today. From what I understand, the leucine content of cheddar cheese is the same as it is in beef. Cottage cheese, on the other hand, contains a lot less. If leucine was the reason why cottage cheese is a no-go, meat would have to be eliminated during the ULC part of the day too...
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