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Dextrose is half as sweet as sugar, but absorbs double the amount of liquid as sugar (which is probably why you're having problems with consistency!)It can be a bit hit and miss at the start. I bought the "Sweet Poison cookbook" by David Gillespie when I started out - which is basically all dextrose recipes. It was really handy when trying to get the hand of it at the start!Basically to get the exact same result as sugar, you need about double the dextrose, but you also need to double up on the liquid ingredients. However, the longer you go without sugar (esp. Fructose) the more your taste buds become sensitive to sugar. For example, when I replace dextrose with sugar in recipes now, i only use half the amount (so if it calls for 1 cup sugar I use 1/2 cup dextrose) - and I find it is sweet enough!
Is there a reason why you (and I'm guessing some others) avoid basic sugar? Did you try it and not get the results you wanted?
table sugar is about half fructose.. you want to avoid fructose best you can as it really does nothing for you and causes more harm than good in most cases.. this is why fruits should be very limited as well not to mention most table sugar is heavily processed with all sorts of chemicals
I fully disagree. Fructose is not the demon its made out to be. You can have simple sugars in your backloads and not encounter any problems at all.
READ THE BOOK. Sugary food is recommended for best results, but there are rules that apply. Clean carbs will not get you the best results. Listen to Kiefer the author not people who take carb backloading, and change it according to what they believe is right. The whole thing about carb backloading is that it changes the rules of eating as we know it. Clean carbs are out for the most part, dirty sugar laden food is in, but there are rules so read the book and it will make sense.
READ THE BOOK. Sugary food is recommended for best results, but there are rules that apply. Clean carbs will not get you the best results. Listen to Kiefer the author not people who take carb backloading, and change it according to what they believe is right. The whole thing about carb backloading is that it changes the rules of eating as we know it. Clean carbs are out for the most part, dirty sugar laden food is in, but there are rules so read the book and it will make sense.
one of the main points is the insulin spike as stated in the book.. sucrose GI is only around 65 hence not ideal for insulin spikes.. starches or dextrose have higher GIs and greater effect on insulinthink about it if he suggested just starches and dextrose how many would listen and follow? he says donuts and cake then of course everyone jumps on board.. those things will work fine but not ideal for insulin spikes
ok good point, but the book does recommend dextrose or three ripe bananas post workout. The more sugary foods with more fat etc is for the following meal, and isn't supposed to make up your entire meal plan. Protein from meat should be consumed with these meals as well don't forget. It's not all about cakes, and donuts but that is recommended. You just have to get the balance right.
Is there a reason why you (and I'm guessing some others) avoid basic sugar? Did you try it and not get the results you wanted?
table sugar is about half fructose.. you want to avoid fructose best you can as it really does nothing for you and causes more harm than good in most cases.. this is why fruits should be very limited as well not to mention most table sugar is heavily processed with all sorts of chemicals
I fully disagree. Fructose is not the demon its made out to be. You can have simple sugars in your backloads and not encounter any problems at all.
fructose in high amounts is the real issue.. like drinking non-diet soda, sugar added fruit juices, and such all the time... and yes you can be fine eating simple sugars on backloads and get results but imho its not ideal for many reasons.. not just health but there are better options for insulin spikes.. i don't avoid all sucrose i just try to limit it
READ THE BOOK. Sugary food is recommended for best results, but there are rules that apply. Clean carbs will not get you the best results. Listen to Kiefer the author not people who take carb backloading, and change it according to what they believe is right. The whole thing about carb backloading is that it changes the rules of eating as we know it. Clean carbs are out for the most part, dirty sugar laden food is in, but there are rules so read the book and it will make sense.
I think you misunderstand what I meant by 'clean'. I know to avoid brown rice, whole oats, pasta etc. That's not going to work so well. White rice (jasmine) WILL work, potatoes WILL work... these are clean, high GI and recommended by Kiefer. Anything that's high GI WILL work... but if it has extra crap in you don't really need. i.e fructose, HFCS, which in and of itself isn't going to help you very much as the heavy fructose content does little to help with the desired insulin spike (not to mention the known health issues) then it's not exactly something you want to be eating in mass quantities (in moderation fine). Just as Kiefer has said eating McDonald's after every workout is hardly a wise move, despite the fact you're getting a super high GI hit there! I have read the book btw, and read/heard/seen a lot of what Kiefer has said since its release... he has clarified a lot since then. CBL is NOT about cramming nothing but sugary laden food down your throat every backload!! It can have its place, but that's not the overall message of CBL, unless you only listen to the marketing. 😉
Yes you are right. Like I said there are rules to eating sugary foods etc. Didn't want to give too much info as people should buy the book.
Is there a reason why you (and I'm guessing some others) avoid basic sugar? Did you try it and not get the results you wanted?
table sugar is about half fructose.. you want to avoid fructose best you can as it really does nothing for you and causes more harm than good in most cases.. this is why fruits should be very limited as well not to mention most table sugar is heavily processed with all sorts of chemicals
I fully disagree. Fructose is not the demon its made out to be. You can have simple sugars in your backloads and not encounter any problems at all.
I agree with Glitche, I think there are certain cases where fructose can be functional. As far as the types of carbs...just don't consume whole grains, fruit, or fibrous veggies. Everything else is fair game as long as you aren't overdoing fructose.
I personally love fruit and include it frequently in my backloads, in small quantities and usually for dessert so it doesnt interfere with my earlier insulin spikes..
I personally love fruit and include it frequently in my backloads, in small quantities and usually for dessert so it doesnt interfere with my earlier insulin spikes..
In small quantities fruit is fine. What most people do not know though is that bananas, regardless of how ripe they are, are 1/3 fructose so keep that in mind if they are a major carb source.
I personally love fruit and include it frequently in my backloads, in small quantities and usually for dessert so it doesnt interfere with my earlier insulin spikes..
In small quantities fruit is fine. What most people do not know though is that bananas, regardless of how ripe they are, are 1/3 fructose so keep that in mind if they are a major carb source.
Good point, Ive come across ppl trying to backload using only bananas.. That shits bananas.
I personally love fruit and include it frequently in my backloads, in small quantities and usually for dessert so it doesnt interfere with my earlier insulin spikes..
In small quantities fruit is fine. What most people do not know though is that bananas, regardless of how ripe they are, are 1/3 fructose so keep that in mind if they are a major carb source.
Good point, Ive come across ppl trying to backload using only bananas.. That shits bananas.
lol yea i keep my bananas to post workout only
Is there a reason why you (and I'm guessing some others) avoid basic sugar? Did you try it and not get the results you wanted?
table sugar is about half fructose.. you want to avoid fructose best you can as it really does nothing for you and causes more harm than good in most cases.. this is why fruits should be very limited as well not to mention most table sugar is heavily processed with all sorts of chemicals
I fully disagree. Fructose is not the demon its made out to be. You can have simple sugars in your backloads and not encounter any problems at all.
fructose in high amounts is the real issue.. like drinking non-diet soda, sugar added fruit juices, and such all the time... and yes you can be fine eating simple sugars on backloads and get results but imho its not ideal for many reasons.. not just health but there are better options for insulin spikes.. i don't avoid all sucrose i just try to limit it
I dont even think those are necessarily true either. I think high fructose in the presence of an already high carb intake and topped off glycogen stores may present issues. But the way we use carbs in CBL and CNS would circumvent those scenarios. I know Kiefer doesnt recommend fruit or large amounts of fructose, but I have guinea pigged this on myself and encountered no body comp issues, and so far only positive health changes from having a large amount of simple sugars (easily 100g+ of fructose PWO) and now eating fruit pre-workout and on off days. I have actually lost weight while increasing carbs and attempting to gain weight! Now would the rules change if I was obese or formerly very overweight? Quite possibly.
Is there a reason why you (and I'm guessing some others) avoid basic sugar? Did you try it and not get the results you wanted?
table sugar is about half fructose.. you want to avoid fructose best you can as it really does nothing for you and causes more harm than good in most cases.. this is why fruits should be very limited as well not to mention most table sugar is heavily processed with all sorts of chemicals
I fully disagree. Fructose is not the demon its made out to be. You can have simple sugars in your backloads and not encounter any problems at all.
fructose in high amounts is the real issue.. like drinking non-diet soda, sugar added fruit juices, and such all the time... and yes you can be fine eating simple sugars on backloads and get results but imho its not ideal for many reasons.. not just health but there are better options for insulin spikes.. i don't avoid all sucrose i just try to limit it
I dont even think those are necessarily true either. I think high fructose in the presence of an already high carb intake and topped off glycogen stores may present issues. But the way we use carbs in CBL and CNS would circumvent those scenarios. I know Kiefer doesnt recommend fruit or large amounts of fructose, but I have guinea pigged this on myself and encountered no body comp issues, and so far only positive health changes from having a large amount of simple sugars (easily 100g+ of fructose PWO) and now eating fruit pre-workout and on off days. I have actually lost weight while increasing carbs and attempting to gain weight! Now would the rules change if I was obese or formerly very overweight? Quite possibly.
it is true most issues with sugar stem from people already on high carb diets.. the main issue with fructose is how your body uses it.. i'm sure most people doing CBL could get fine results with high sucrose and lots of fruit but imho there are better ways.. Fructose can only be metabolized by your liver as opposed to glucose which can be utilized almost everywhere in your body.. so in turn you are hindering yourself by doing backloads with heavy amounts of fructose.. but to each their own i suppose
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