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Ok, so Thanksgiving was interesting. I knew it would be. I could totally care less about the carbs but the TURKEY? The meat? I have the hardest time keeping it to 1g per body weight! I have just started trying that and it's difficult. I was eating like 1.5 per pound and that is totally comfortable for me, but I learned that that much will keep me out of ketosis, so I'm TRYING to lower it to 1:1 (fat and protein) I have no problem with limiting the fat and no problem limiting the carbs. Anyway, so last night I ate extra fat going in to the feast hoping it would quell the appetite for meat. I had about 40g of protein left to have a "perfect" lc day but I knew I'd overdo that, and I did. In a big way. I'm 110lbs and I ate about 180g of protein last night. Lots of fat and way less than 30g of carbs for the whole dayMy questions are these:HOW MUCH damage did my free-for-all protein fest cause in regard to the ulc day, do you think? I did not feel stuffed (at all) and I woke up one pound higher, but no biggieHOW HIGH do people go with protein to still stay in ketosis? I know the common answer is that no one needs more than 1g per body weight unless they're SUPER active (I'm just regular gym goer) but are there instances of people (women?) here getting more on a regular basis and still seeing results?I was seeing results at very high protein levels (like 140/day) but when I cut it to 1g per body weight I saw way btter and way faster results. Maybe I can do higher if I'm willing to see slower results? Or no way? ThanksMy carb nites are way dirty so I'm going to clean those up, too. But the lowered protein part is very VERY uncomfortable for methanks
I think she is trying to say that she feels better or compelled to have higher protein all the time.
I think she is trying to say that she feels better or compelled to have higher protein all the time.
Yea I think you're right. Higher protein is fine I think. It's all about what you are comfortable with.
+1Sometimes you just need to see how you feel after eating that much protein. I weight about 170 and lost 1lb on thanksgiving where I basically ate an entire turkey. As with everything on these protocols, tweaking is necessary. Kiefer said heknew one client who wouldnt stall when eating up to 100g carbs on the ULC phase, but another couldnt go above 20g.
yes, thanks. That's what I'm saying – can I eat a lot of protein? Like 120-140 grams is where my little 110 body really feels best and I was getting results there, too. I feel WAY better on increased protein but my coach says it's (1) a ketogenic diet and (2) you can't be keto with that much protein (both true)BUT today I listened to some ( recent, I think) podcast Keifer was doing (can't recall which one..I listened to many this a.m) but he said only about 50% of people on the diet actually GET to ketosis anyway, and that of those they were predominantly elite athletes, which I am not. SO I don't see any problem with the increased protein other than my coach is about to punch my lights out (kidding! But she's adamant) ...and from what you guys are saying, it may be ok?
yes, thanks. That's what I'm saying - can I eat a lot of protein? Like 120-140 grams is where my little 110 body really feels best and I was getting results there, too. I feel WAY better on increased protein but my coach says it's (1) a ketogenic diet and (2) you can't be keto with that much protein (both true)BUT today I listened to some ( recent, I think) podcast Keifer was doing (can't recall which one..I listened to many this a.m) but he said only about 50% of people on the diet actually GET to ketosis anyway, and that of those they were predominantly elite athletes, which I am not. SO I don't see any problem with the increased protein other than my coach is about to punch my lights out (kidding! But she's adamant) ...and from what you guys are saying, it may be ok?
I can assure you you are still ketogenic. Your protein consumption is not that high. Anyway, yes only 50% of people go into ketosis, but we aren't interested in ketosis. We are interested in ketogenesis. There is a difference and everyone goes into ketogenesis if they are on a ketogenic diet.What matters is % of your calories that come from fat. As long as over 50% of your calories come from fat, you are going to be ketogenic on Carb Nite.
yeah, ketogenic not ketosis. WHY can't I keep those straight. I've read the thread here on it, too. Several times. I was totally seeing results with the higher protein intake and then saw faster results (with a fair amount of headachey misery) on the lowered protein. Plenty of fat. Never a prob 🙂
In normal diets, consuming excess proteins may turn into fat since people consuming carbs would maximize their glycogen stores, resulting in excess energy that could turn into fat. In ULC, our glycogen stores are usually depleted, all the protein consumed would result in energy rather than turning into fat; which is why high protein diet without carbs (such as ULC) has a greater and profound effect than consuming high protein and high carbs since there is a less likely chance of having excess protein turning into glucose through gluconeogenesis.
In normal diets, consuming excess proteins may turn into fat since people consuming carbs would maximize their glycogen stores, resulting in excess energy that could turn into fat. In ULC, our glycogen stores are usually depleted, all the protein consumed would result in energy rather than turning into fat; which is why high protein diet without carbs (such as ULC) has a greater and profound effect than consuming high protein and high carbs since there is a less likely chance of having excess protein turning into glucose through gluconeogenesis.
Actually it is close to impossible for protein to be stored as fat, regardless of the diet. It's also rather difficult for glucose to be stored as fat as well.
So, how much would be too much? Like it would have to be a FUCKTON (I like that made up word) to do any fat-storing damage or wreck the fat burning? I'm 110. How many grams approximately (everyone's different I do know) would start to be detrimental to my progress? I was eating 140 and getting results on CNS (with terrible, dirty Cns by the way) but I will certainly admit that lowering it made the progress zoom.
too much protein is when you becomeFoggy and lethargic, thats what ive realised,Feels like your body is using protein for the energy this is where you enter, lamb, or a good quality fatty cut at that or mct etc
In normal diets, consuming excess proteins may turn into fat since people consuming carbs would maximize their glycogen stores, resulting in excess energy that could turn into fat. In ULC, our glycogen stores are usually depleted, all the protein consumed would result in energy rather than turning into fat; which is why high protein diet without carbs (such as ULC) has a greater and profound effect than consuming high protein and high carbs since there is a less likely chance of having excess protein turning into glucose through gluconeogenesis.
Actually it is close to impossible for protein to be stored as fat, regardless of the diet. It's also rather difficult for glucose to be stored as fat as well.
True, though I'm not so sure about the glucose bit. Lipogenesis happens quite frequently among people with sedantary lifestyles and is the reason why we usually become obese anyways. There is a pathway for protein to convert to fat, but you're right, the probability that anyone would gain fat is very very very slim. Especially since the synthesis of conversion is slow, and that amino acids can produce ketones and glucose rather than being stored as a triglyceride.But I guess the answer isn't really clear, can a high consumption of protein conflict with ketogenesis? Or does protein synthesis run parallel with breaking down fatty acids? Btw.. by high, I mean more than we'd normally recommend; more than 1g per pound of our targetted body weight.It just makes sense to me not to go overly excessive in protein because the excess turns to glucose; and ketogenesis works in the absence of glucose. There just has to be a threshold somewhere; unless you're a trained athlete and is a professional body builder, I think that's where the threshold is increased more so than someone who sits around all day.
Individuals are so different you really ought to just give higher protein a shot and see how it works out for you. You won't wake up tomorrow and suddenly be obese – you'll notice along the way whether it's having the desired effects.I weigh the same as you - well nearly I'm probably closer to 120 pounds, only 5 feet tall - not sure of bf%. I tried the higher fat/lower protein way for a good while but I just couldn't function on such little protein, not with my activity level (Body Pump x 4, HIIT and Glute exercises x 3 and a daily 1hr incline walk - so something every day but my job is sedentary). I felt depleted and so fatigued only the second day out from my last CN (these are low-fat and predominantly GF, but they are admittedly epic). Getting through my work day was a nightmare, talk about brain fog. I also noticed my stomach area was getting more and more flabby and even looked a bit dimply. So I'm eating more protein now, until I feel full but not stuffed. I feel much better each day so far, and my stomach is looking leaner. Anyway I'm going to experiment with this because something had to give. And just to help things along I happen to have not one, but two, social dinners at buffets this weekend - the sort that have every kind of meat and seafood you could imagine. Oh dear. YOLO.
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