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October 12, 2012 at 9:42 pm #4603
CainoParticipantKiefer explains he tweaks his clients diets by keeping mtor open even when fasted, so i did some research and found that glutamine with the aid of leucine keeps it firing!! Here is the linkhttp://www.benthamscience.com/open/toej/articles/V004/SI0009TOEJ/40TOEJ.pdfLook at the part where it says how to stimulate it , i dont know if im on to something or not, food for thought i guess
October 12, 2012 at 10:26 pm #92945
Gl;itch.eMembernicotine gum is probably one major way as evidenced by Kiefer's cryptic mentioning of it in his videos.
October 12, 2012 at 11:20 pm #92946
CainoParticipanthow about the sugar alcohols in them xylotol anything with an “tol”etc, hey did you read that article? the way i interperet it is if you have leucine with glutamine first thing in the morning it keeps the pathways firing?!
October 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm #92947
Richard SchmittModeratorThe sugar alcohol thing should be avoided yes, however erythritol is a sugar alcohol, it doesn't raise blood sugars making it safe to take.
October 12, 2012 at 11:31 pm #92948
Brandon D ChristParticipantKiefer explains he tweaks his clients diets by keeping mtor open even when fasted, so i did some research and found that glutamine with the aid of leucine keeps it firing!! Here is the linkhttp://www.benthamscience.com/open/toej/articles/V004/SI0009TOEJ/40TOEJ.pdfLook at the part where it says how to stimulate it , i dont know if im on to something or not, food for thought i guess
You are not fasting if you are ingesting leucine, it spikes insulin. You mind as well be consuming carbohydrates.
October 13, 2012 at 12:12 am #92949
David MargittaiParticipantKiefer explains he tweaks his clients diets by keeping mtor open even when fasted, so i did some research and found that glutamine with the aid of leucine keeps it firing!! Here is the linkhttp://www.benthamscience.com/open/toej/articles/V004/SI0009TOEJ/40TOEJ.pdfLook at the part where it says how to stimulate it , i dont know if im on to something or not, food for thought i guess
You are not fasting if you are ingesting leucine, it spikes insulin. You mind as well be consuming carbohydrates.
BUT, this information does make sense when you think about the Kiefer's Accelerator Shake. Obviously, the perfect balance between burning fat and preventing muscle burning is the goal here, and reading this research sheds some light on why Kiefer includes the Whey Isolate in the shake. By adding the MCTs to the caffeine in the coffee (or however you prefer to take it), you are kicking your body into high gear to burn fats by introducing a rapidly (almost immediately) available fat energy source. At the same time, by including the small dose (<10g) of the Whey Isolate, you are introducing a protein (amino) source that releases itself slowly enough to not cause any spike in insulin, while still providing enough of an amino profile to keep the mTOR open and firing.The idea of this seems to create that optimal balance between burning fat and preventing muscle breakdown that allows us to maintain our muscle while still becoming leaner and leaner.Maybe I will keep my Accelerator Shake while on CNS after all...
October 13, 2012 at 12:14 am #92950
Richard SchmittModeratorKiefer explains he tweaks his clients diets by keeping mtor open even when fasted, so i did some research and found that glutamine with the aid of leucine keeps it firing!! Here is the linkhttp://www.benthamscience.com/open/toej/articles/V004/SI0009TOEJ/40TOEJ.pdfLook at the part where it says how to stimulate it , i dont know if im on to something or not, food for thought i guess
You are not fasting if you are ingesting leucine, it spikes insulin. You mind as well be consuming carbohydrates.
BUT, this information does make sense when you think about the Kiefer's Accelerator Shake. Obviously, the perfect balance between burning fat and preventing muscle burning is the goal here, and reading this research sheds some light on why Kiefer includes the Whey Isolate in the shake. By adding the MCTs to the caffeine in the coffee (or however you prefer to take it), you are kicking your body into high gear to burn fats by introducing a rapidly (almost immediately) available fat energy source. At the same time, by including the small dose (<10g) of the Whey Isolate, you are introducing a protein (amino) source that releases itself slowly enough to not cause any spike in insulin, while still providing enough of an amino profile to keep the mTOR open and firing.The idea of this seems to create that optimal balance between burning fat and preventing muscle breakdown that allows us to maintain our muscle while still becoming leaner and leaner.Maybe I will keep my Accelerator Shake while on CNS after all...
Mhmm well this does seem reasonable and worth trying.
October 13, 2012 at 1:49 am #92951
Brandon D ChristParticipantKiefer explains he tweaks his clients diets by keeping mtor open even when fasted, so i did some research and found that glutamine with the aid of leucine keeps it firing!! Here is the linkhttp://www.benthamscience.com/open/toej/articles/V004/SI0009TOEJ/40TOEJ.pdfLook at the part where it says how to stimulate it , i dont know if im on to something or not, food for thought i guess
You are not fasting if you are ingesting leucine, it spikes insulin. You mind as well be consuming carbohydrates.
BUT, this information does make sense when you think about the Kiefer's Accelerator Shake. Obviously, the perfect balance between burning fat and preventing muscle burning is the goal here, and reading this research sheds some light on why Kiefer includes the Whey Isolate in the shake. By adding the MCTs to the caffeine in the coffee (or however you prefer to take it), you are kicking your body into high gear to burn fats by introducing a rapidly (almost immediately) available fat energy source. At the same time, by including the small dose (<10g) of the Whey Isolate, you are introducing a protein (amino) source that releases itself slowly enough to not cause any spike in insulin, while still providing enough of an amino profile to keep the mTOR open and firing.The idea of this seems to create that optimal balance between burning fat and preventing muscle breakdown that allows us to maintain our muscle while still becoming leaner and leaner.Maybe I will keep my Accelerator Shake while on CNS after all...
Don't get me wrong, the AM accelerator (the real AM accelerator with the whey isolate) is great. However, DO NOT put leucine in it. You will definitely stop fat burning.
October 13, 2012 at 2:01 am #92952
CainoParticipanthrm interesting points, the only reason i write this is because in biojacked Q and A #7 he says to have the fats in the morning to keep the mtor pumping but then he also goes on to say that he has another way he does this without the aids of fat that he does not want to give away, its in part 2 about the 30-40 min mark i think worth a listen
October 13, 2012 at 2:08 am #92953
David MargittaiParticipantKiefer explains he tweaks his clients diets by keeping mtor open even when fasted, so i did some research and found that glutamine with the aid of leucine keeps it firing!! Here is the linkhttp://www.benthamscience.com/open/toej/articles/V004/SI0009TOEJ/40TOEJ.pdfLook at the part where it says how to stimulate it , i dont know if im on to something or not, food for thought i guess
You are not fasting if you are ingesting leucine, it spikes insulin. You mind as well be consuming carbohydrates.
BUT, this information does make sense when you think about the Kiefer's Accelerator Shake. Obviously, the perfect balance between burning fat and preventing muscle burning is the goal here, and reading this research sheds some light on why Kiefer includes the Whey Isolate in the shake. By adding the MCTs to the caffeine in the coffee (or however you prefer to take it), you are kicking your body into high gear to burn fats by introducing a rapidly (almost immediately) available fat energy source. At the same time, by including the small dose (<10g) of the Whey Isolate, you are introducing a protein (amino) source that releases itself slowly enough to not cause any spike in insulin, while still providing enough of an amino profile to keep the mTOR open and firing.The idea of this seems to create that optimal balance between burning fat and preventing muscle breakdown that allows us to maintain our muscle while still becoming leaner and leaner.Maybe I will keep my Accelerator Shake while on CNS after all...
Don't get me wrong, the AM accelerator (the real AM accelerator with the whey isolate) is great. However, DO NOT put leucine in it. You will definitely stop fat burning.
No, I agree with you completely. I wasn't suggesting (nor would I) add leucine to the shake. I was just comparing the results of that research with the amino profile of a small dose of WPI.And @Caino -- that may be how he does it, but I imagine that the clients that he would potentially use that method for are focused less on extreme fat loss than they are maximal lean muscle gain/performance.
October 13, 2012 at 2:26 am #92954
TokyoLifterMemberhrm interesting points, the only reason i write this is because in biojacked Q and A #7 he says to have the fats in the morning to keep the mtor pumping but then he also goes on to say that he has another way he does this without the aids of fat that he does not want to give away, its in part 2 about the 30-40 min mark i think worth a listen
If I am not mistaken, he mentioned that there are non-dietary pathways, now nicotine gum would be dietary as well.
October 13, 2012 at 3:25 am #92955
CainoParticipanthrm interesting points, the only reason i write this is because in biojacked Q and A #7 he says to have the fats in the morning to keep the mtor pumping but then he also goes on to say that he has another way he does this without the aids of fat that he does not want to give away, its in part 2 about the 30-40 min mark i think worth a listen
If I am not mistaken, he mentioned that there are non-dietary pathways, now nicotine gum would be dietary as well.
that is right my friend, also isnt cbl to gain lean mass whereas CNS is for the ex fat loss?
October 13, 2012 at 4:28 am #92956
Brandon D ChristParticipanthrm interesting points, the only reason i write this is because in biojacked Q and A #7 he says to have the fats in the morning to keep the mtor pumping but then he also goes on to say that he has another way he does this without the aids of fat that he does not want to give away, its in part 2 about the 30-40 min mark i think worth a listen
If I am not mistaken, he mentioned that there are non-dietary pathways, now nicotine gum would be dietary as well.
Kiefer does this all the time. He says he's gonna keep something a secret and then he ends up telling everybody anyway. I think he doesn't like to release stuff until he thoroughly tests it. However, nicotine is a drug so how is it dietary?
October 13, 2012 at 10:13 am #92957
TokyoLifterMemberhrm interesting points, the only reason i write this is because in biojacked Q and A #7 he says to have the fats in the morning to keep the mtor pumping but then he also goes on to say that he has another way he does this without the aids of fat that he does not want to give away, its in part 2 about the 30-40 min mark i think worth a listen
If I am not mistaken, he mentioned that there are non-dietary pathways, now nicotine gum would be dietary as well.
Kiefer does this all the time. He says he's gonna keep something a secret and then he ends up telling everybody anyway. I think he doesn't like to release stuff until he thoroughly tests it. However, nicotine is a drug so how is it dietary?
If it enters your body through your mouth, isn't it dietary?
October 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm #92958
Damon AmatoParticipantnot if it contains no nutrients.
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