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So the latest one is from the recent Fat Burning Man podcast. See it towards the end on the tube.When asked specifically about Carb Nite, Kiefer said "have a Carb Nite every 14 days" or something similar.Did I read the wrong book? Has he changed his research and not updated the book?Did he make simply make a massive mistake?I know he is clear to never go more than 10 days without a Carb Nite.I know he strongly advises 1 Carb Nite every day 7 days.Why does he consistently lack congruence in his advice?
science is that way as it's always changing as new discoveries and testing methods emerge.. the real issues are when people stick to the past and rely on old and sometimes faulty research when new and better done research is available.. CN is an old book now and a lot has changed since then hence the reason he is working on the next iterations of the books. For the 14 day thing i generally see him recommend this for people who are very overweight
You really can't compare much of what he says know to what he said in a book that is like.. 7 years old or something long those lines. Kiefers hasn't stopped learning and because of that his stance will change as science makes new discoveries.Also, Sano is right, the 14 days thing is mostly for very sedentary, very overweight, metabolically deranged population.
You really can't compare much of what he says know to what he said in a book that is like.. 7 years old
I don't hate the guy, but I want clarification. Some of us buy his products and are losing weight with them.Some of us care what works best, not what just sticks to the wall.He should do one of three things... #1. Sell the book for $9.99, because the $30 information is no longer valid.#2. Update his gimmicky website saying "dated information" extra value, buy now.#2. Be clear when he speaks online. Qualify your 14 day answer simply by saying "If your more than 50 pounds overweight, 14 days, if you 20 pounds overweight every 7 days" etc. New research shows...
You really can't compare much of what he says know to what he said in a book that is like.. 7 years old
I don't hate the guy, but I want clarification. Some of us buy his products and are losing weight with them.Some of us care what works best, not what just sticks to the wall.He should do one of three things... #1. Sell the book for $9.99, because the $30 information is no longer valid.#2. Update his gimmicky website saying "dated information" extra value, buy now.#2. Be clear when he speaks online. Qualify your 14 day answer simply by saying "If your more than 50 pounds overweight, 14 days, if you 20 pounds overweight every 7 days" etc. New research shows...
i agree with 1 & 2 but for #3 anytime i have heard him speak on podcasts he does clarify this.. but it's also not that cut and dry. You could be only 20lbs overweight and have horrible metabolic issues and would benefit from longer times between carb nights. But he has said in general people who are very obese will benefit more from longer periods between CNs compared to people with much less to lose.
For the 14 day thing i generally see him recommend this for people who are very overweight
#1. It's probably mainly sold as an Ebook. Write a simple addendum.#2. Clarify. If you have 100+ pounds of fat to lose, if you have 50+ pounds of fat to lose.#3. Either the 7 day refeed is needed for real, or that is bunk. Clarify. I have no issues pushing out to a 10 day refeed for more fat loss, but would not, if I risk compromising my thyroid!
Also, Sano is right, the 14 days thing is mostly for very sedentary, very overweight, metabolically deranged population.
So then he is saying the thyroid and hormones won't down regulate in 7 days, but only if your really, really fat?I mean at some point then your just on a long term ketogenic diet, which does have concerns about metabolic down regulation.Here's another tip. Kiefer, spend 2 hours a week watching your forums, or hire an expert to speak for you.
you seem to want a very cut and dry “if you are this do this” type answer. The problem is we don't work like that(hence kiefers favorite “it depends” answer). If we did we could all just follow a simple calculator online and eat whatever the hell we wanted and lose or gain whatever we wanted. This obviously does not work for a good portion of the population and is why you need to experiment with yourself and understand how you personally respond to various intakes of food and types of foods.
Since the book is fairly old, Kiefer has also stated of a new CNS book coming out with updated information. Handing out recommendations left and right, is like sharing skittles, everyone wants one but ends up pissed when they don't receive the right one. I will just say be patient and you will be giving the needed advice soon, very soon when everything is up and running. The longer days in between a CN, goes hand in hand with being overly obese and/or diabetic as well. NOW we are not doctors on these forums, and every has an opinion to express. Take everything said for a grain of salt until noted otherwise. Another tip, be nice and quit being disrespectful.
Another tip, be nice and quit being disrespectful.
More frustrated than disrespectful. "It depends" is understandable, but some additional guidelines would be great. Simple idea, off the top of my head, body fat levels of 20-25%, 25 to 30%, 30-35%, 35 to 40% etc.While not speaking to the individual, it would generally cover the level of disregulation predicted.
is why you need to experiment with yourself and understand how you personally respond to various intakes of food and types of foods.
Good point. I think it might be time to start experimenting with pushing out to every 10 days between Carb Nites.
Since the book is fairly old, Kiefer has also stated of a new CNS book coming out with updated information. Handing out recommendations left and right, is like sharing skittles, everyone wants one but ends up pissed when they don't receive the right one. I will just say be patient and you will be giving the needed advice soon, very soon when everything is up and running. The longer days in between a CN, goes hand in hand with being overly obese and/or diabetic as well. NOW we are not doctors on these forums, and every has an opinion to express. Take everything said for a grain of salt until noted otherwise. Another tip, be nice and quit being disrespectful.
Good explanation Tex!mczx I understand your frustration, but we don't know his situation, so it's best not to armchair quarterback.
is why you need to experiment with yourself and understand how you personally respond to various intakes of food and types of foods.
Good point. I think it might be time to start experimenting with pushing out to every 10 days between Carb Nites.
Kiefers protocols are meant to be experiments. He has stated this multiple times and I think that anyone else in the fitness world who has achieved a strong understanding of nutrition and exercise will tell you that you need to experiment to find what works best. That is indeed why many of these cookie cutter diets fail for people (someone found what worked best for them or a group of clients they had strict control over and then marketed it) but they never try to alter anything themselves. The whole keto diet with carb refeeds has been around a long time and you just need to play with it yourself to find what works. It is not kiefers job to find what works specifically for everyone through his ebook...that is just not reasonable to expect and would be a hell of a deal for 30 bucks. Hire him as your personal coach/nutritionist if you want something extremely specific laid out. Your job as a person trying to lose fat/get extremely lean is to take the ground work he laid out and build on it. Try pushing the carb nites out for longer periods of time...IF you lose weight this is fine. IF you don't lose weight you should decrease the time between them. IF you still don't lose weight try other things.
This isn't limited to Keifer or even the fitness industry. I prefer the coaches/experts that are willing to intake new information and make adjustments to their own views. I can't stand those in life that can only thing in one way of thinking and anything else is crap. “Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.” - Bruce Lee
is why you need to experiment with yourself and understand how you personally respond to various intakes of food and types of foods.
Good point. I think it might be time to start experimenting with pushing out to every 10 days between Carb Nites.
Kiefers protocols are meant to be experiments. He has stated this multiple times and I think that anyone else in the fitness world who has achieved a strong understanding of nutrition and exercise will tell you that you need to experiment to find what works best. That is indeed why many of these cookie cutter diets fail for people (someone found what worked best for them or a group of clients they had strict control over and then marketed it) but they never try to alter anything themselves. The whole keto diet with carb refeeds has been around a long time and you just need to play with it yourself to find what works. It is not kiefers job to find what works specifically for everyone through his ebook...that is just not reasonable to expect and would be a hell of a deal for 30 bucks. Hire him as your personal coach/nutritionist if you want something extremely specific laid out. Your job as a person trying to lose fat/get extremely lean is to take the ground work he laid out and build on it. Try pushing the carb nites out for longer periods of time...IF you lose weight this is fine. IF you don't lose weight you should decrease the time between them. IF you still don't lose weight try other things.
The thing is though, Carb Nite is supposed to be, as Kiefer stated, "something that works out of the box," which means that it is designed to work for nearly everyone. It's not an experiment.The fact is many people on here make excuses for when someone fails to get good results. For instance one thing I often hear thrown around on this forum is that "Carb Nite is not for rapid fat loss, it's a healthy way of losing fat". This simply isn't true. Carb Nite IS designed for rapid fat loss. That is what Kiefer markets it as and what he promises.So come to terms with this: either Carb Nite (as written) fails some people, or people don't do the diet correctly. Personally my opinion is that there are quicker ways to lose fat than Carb Nite. You can say similar things about CBL, but that diet is meant to be experimental and is for recomposition. I wonder if Kiefer has come to similar conclusions about his diet and thus pushes health more than the efficacy of his diets with regards to rapid fat loss.
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