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The thing is though, Carb Nite is supposed to be, as Kiefer stated, "something that works out of the box," which means that it is designed to work for nearly everyone. It's not an experiment.The fact is many people on here make excuses for when someone fails to get good results. For instance one thing I often hear thrown around on this forum is that "Carb Nite is not for rapid fat loss, it's a healthy way of losing fat". This simply isn't true. Carb Nite IS designed for rapid fat loss. That is what Kiefer markets it as and what he promises.So come to terms with this: either Carb Nite (as written) fails some people, or people don't do the diet correctly. Personally my opinion is that there are quicker ways to lose fat than Carb Nite. You can say similar things about CBL, but that diet is meant to be experimental and is for recomposition. I wonder if Kiefer has come to similar conclusions about his diet and thus pushes health more than the efficacy of his diets with regards to rapid fat loss.
i think this point is pretty important and applies the same with CBL.. no single way of eating is ideal for everyone and not everyone has insulin issues from carbs that are causing their weight problems. I know some people love the science behind it and most likely spent money on the books but sometimes it's best to try other things then continue for years and years on something that doesn't work for them(assuming they really are following the protocol correctly).
Lots of variables on carbnite or carbbackloading. However, I listened to the podcast and seems your best bet is to stick with the book. After about six months of using the diet you’ll understand where Keifer is coming from on this particular podcast. He was touching tons of topics and they are not one size fits all. The host was asking about his particular listeners, women, diabetics, fat-adapted, fructose eaters, mainly he talked about carb-backloaders. Run the carbnite as the book lays-out and tailor as needed…… it works, you’ll love it. The best thing is going to eat out with family and friends on a Saturday and really eating some food. After which they look at you wondering where the food is going. And Fruity Pebbles are Paleolithic. 51:00 mins he say 10 days low carb window
Lots of variables on carbnite or carbbackloading. However, I listened to the podcast and seems your best bet is to stick with the book. After about six months of using the diet you’ll understand where Keifer is coming from on this particular podcast. He was touching tons of topics and they are not one size fits all. The host was asking about his particular listeners, women, diabetics, fat-adapted, fructose eaters, mainly he talked about carb-backloaders. Run the carbnite as the book lays-out and tailor as needed…… it works, you’ll love it. The best thing is going to eat out with family and friends on a Saturday and really eating some food. After which they look at you wondering where the food is going. And Fruity Pebbles are Paleolithic. 51:00 mins he say 10 days low carb window
I agree. I personally would stick to the book.
Personally I give huge kudos to Kiefer for having an open mind and continually searching for the TRUTH! I love it that when new scientific facts are presented through new discoveries he is willing to add that new information to his knowledge base and is willing to say his older less knowledgeable advice has now changed.The last thing I want (what most gurus do) is for an expert to continue to proffer advice based upon "old and no longer valid knowledge".The problem lies in the work each of us MUST do to update OUR knowledge. I think many don't want to expend the effort.
A lot of Kiefer's recommendation's are very individual based. Both CBL and CN work very well, but some people might need to make adjustments that other's may or may not have to make as well. A lot of it to is knowing your body type, how you handle carbs, workouts, etc. From that point make any needed adjustments. I think most people don't give either diet a chance to work before they think they are stalling and start making adjustments before its needed. Long and short of it figure out what works best for you. I have been doing CNS/CBL style since Jan last year(slight break in Dec during the holidays) and it is miles ahead of any other life style.
Run the carbnite as the book lays-out and tailor as needed…… it works, you’ll love it.
50 days into it and loving it. No hunger, fat loss, muscle stable or gaining strength, can adapt fast food to it if need be, can get carby foods in once a week...who would not love it?I just want to get the maximum out of it and stay focused. Kiefer's mixed messages just frustrate me, that's all.
The thing is though, Carb Nite is supposed to be, as Kiefer stated, "something that works out of the box," which means that it is designed to work for nearly everyone. It's not an experiment.I agree. He has stated that Carb Nite was "written for overweight, middle aged women who do not exercise."That would be considered very general. The writing is very simplified as well, lending validity to how he described the book.
I am a very fat woman who bought the book a year ago. Imagine my chagrin to peruse the forums to find out the information in my $30 book is “outdated”. I would have very much preferred to know at the outset that I was purchasing outdated information or information that is "under review" and that a new edition is coming out soon. I would have appreciated knowing, from the beginning, that as a fat woman, I COULD go more than 7 days without a carb nite without "destroying my thyroid". But, what's done is done.I was going to post today about how long I should push out my carb window. I have read on this thread alone two different "absolutes": 14 days and 10 days.As someone who (I think) falls into the category of the "metabolically deranged" (a term which did NOT appear in the book I read), I am guessing I am "safe" to go with a 14 day window.But, I am not sure...????
I am a very fat woman who bought the book a year ago. Imagine my chagrin to peruse the forums to find out the information in my $30 book is "outdated". I would have very much preferred to know at the outset that I was purchasing outdated information or information that is "under review" and that a new edition is coming out soon. I would have appreciated knowing, from the beginning, that as a fat woman, I COULD go more than 7 days without a carb nite without "destroying my thyroid". But, what's done is done.I was going to post today about how long I should push out my carb window. I have read on this thread alone two different "absolutes": 14 days and 10 days.As someone who (I think) falls into the category of the "metabolically deranged" (a term which did NOT appear in the book I read), I am guessing I am "safe" to go with a 14 day window.But, I am not sure...????
14 days is the max, correct.
Should the metabolically deranged go longer periods low carb? Or should they eat carbs more frequently?
Should the metabolically deranged go longer periods low carb? Or should they eat carbs more frequently?
According to Kiefer and what others seem to say, go longer ULC. Leptin and thyroid aren't effected as quickly.This is in regards to syndrome X type derangement.When it does to people who have crashed their metabolism from low term low calorie, excessive cardio, and the like whom aren't super overweight but more so "skinny fat" then having carbs more frequently and building the metabolic engine will likely be better.
I am a very fat woman who bought the book a year ago. Imagine my chagrin to peruse the forums to find out the information in my $30 book is "outdated". As someone who (I think) falls into the category of the "metabolically deranged" (a term which did NOT appear in the book I read), I am guessing I am "safe" to go with a 14 day window.But, I am not sure...
I agree with your anger and or frustration. The issue is it can lead to self doubt. That is something we do not want. If you have solid data from your previous track record of every 7 days, I would for sure start going to 14 days and see how the numbers compare. I would "guesstimate" that you are going to see a 25-40% better result between Carb Nites. I have absolutely no scientific evidence to say that, but it seems logical that staying ULC longer will burn more fat.If mentally you "need" that 7th day Carb Nite, then stay at seven.
The thing is though, Carb Nite is supposed to be, as Kiefer stated, "something that works out of the box," which means that it is designed to work for nearly everyone. It's not an experiment.The fact is many people on here make excuses for when someone fails to get good results. For instance one thing I often hear thrown around on this forum is that "Carb Nite is not for rapid fat loss, it's a healthy way of losing fat". This simply isn't true. Carb Nite IS designed for rapid fat loss. That is what Kiefer markets it as and what he promises.So come to terms with this: either Carb Nite (as written) fails some people, or people don't do the diet correctly. Personally my opinion is that there are quicker ways to lose fat than Carb Nite. You can say similar things about CBL, but that diet is meant to be experimental and is for recomposition. I wonder if Kiefer has come to similar conclusions about his diet and thus pushes health more than the efficacy of his diets with regards to rapid fat loss. You're absolutely right. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Should the metabolically deranged go longer periods low carb? Or should they eat carbs more frequently?
According to Kiefer and what others seem to say, go longer ULC. Leptin and thyroid aren't effected as quickly.This is in regards to syndrome X type derangement.When it does to people who have crashed their metabolism from low term low calorie, excessive cardio, and the like whom aren't super overweight but more so "skinny fat" then having carbs more frequently and building the metabolic engine will likely be better.
I asked because to me, it doesn't make much sense if someone who was a chronic diet and isn't losing fat to go even longer ULC. For instance, there has been quite a few people that were on low carb diets for years and don't lose anything. Then they switch to CNS and still fail. I think those people should have carbs more often.
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