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Just read Kiefer's most recent article on DH.com. I posted a comment but not sure it went through so figured I would get some feed back here.There is a huge emphasis to get 1:1 fat to pro ratio on ULC portion (whether its carb backloading or CNS). Based on Kiefer's article and the research, it seems that the 1:1 ratio may not be that essential...some people may even do better at higher pro than fat (like John Anderson). Or is this article more so focused on fat PRODUCTION where as the 1:1 ratio is more beneficial for fat LOSS? Any thoughts on that?Secondly, my take home message from this article is that the ONLY time we should be eating a combination of carbs and fat (at the same meal) is later in our back loading window. Other wise there is really no beneficial time for these 2 macros to be combined. Would that be correct?
Just read Kiefer's most recent article on DH.com. I posted a comment but not sure it went through so figured I would get some feed back here.There is a huge emphasis to get 1:1 fat to pro ratio on ULC portion (whether its carb backloading or CNS). Based on Kiefer's article and the research, it seems that the 1:1 ratio may not be that essential...some people may even do better at higher pro than fat (like John Anderson). Or is this article more so focused on fat PRODUCTION where as the 1:1 ratio is more beneficial for fat LOSS? Any thoughts on that?Secondly, my take home message from this article is that the ONLY time we should be eating a combination of carbs and fat (at the same meal) is later in our back loading window. Other wise there is really no beneficial time for these 2 macros to be combined. Would that be correct?
+1. It seems like it would be difficult to get a gram of fat per pound of body weight if we shouldn't be eating much fat in our first backload feeding. I'm usually somewhere around 100g going into the backload. Pounding sticks of butter during the second feeding when I'm already full doesn't seem like the best idea.
I was under the impression that fat intake was disregarded during the backload 😮
I was under the impression that fat intake was disregarded during the backload 😮
Welcome to DH! This stuff is constantly chaning. Science isn't static, neither are Kiefer's reccomendations. However I get the impression from Kiefer's articles that this is another one of those things you can do to further tweak the diet. I actually have always eaten this way. Lean protein and sweet potatos for meal one and really dirty treats for meal two.
I was under the impression that fat intake was disregarded during the backload 😮
Welcome to DH! This stuff is constantly chaning. Science isn't static, neither are Kiefer's reccomendations. However I get the impression from Kiefer's articles that this is another one of those things you can do to further tweak the diet. I actually have always eaten this way. Lean protein and sweet potatos for meal one and really dirty treats for meal two.
Huh. Welp, looks like I'm gonna try flip-flopping my two meals haha
So I got a little confused around Keifer's mentioning of odd and even chained fatty acids and glucose responses. Is this the reason we should stick more to animal based fats during ULC parts of the day or are certain fats still risks of popping insulin levels?Thanks!
Pretty much yeah so animal fats are better to stick with during the ULC day, first meal for the backload lean protein w/clean carbs and last meal (1.5-2 hours before bed) enjoy dirty fun carbs.
Perfect, I've been following stricly to keifer's recommendations and just wanted to make sure i was clear as he can confuse me a bit with the science talk. I've been following CBL for about 1-2 months now and am getting awesome results (always thoguht to be a hardgainer), and really appreciate all the time you guys take to monitor this forum.Thanks again
Just read Kiefer's most recent article on DH.com. I posted a comment but not sure it went through so figured I would get some feed back here.There is a huge emphasis to get 1:1 fat to pro ratio on ULC portion (whether its carb backloading or CNS). Based on Kiefer's article and the research, it seems that the 1:1 ratio may not be that essential...some people may even do better at higher pro than fat (like John Anderson). Or is this article more so focused on fat PRODUCTION where as the 1:1 ratio is more beneficial for fat LOSS? Any thoughts on that?Secondly, my take home message from this article is that the ONLY time we should be eating a combination of carbs and fat (at the same meal) is later in our back loading window. Other wise there is really no beneficial time for these 2 macros to be combined. Would that be correct?
Keep in mind Kiefer stated this IF your goal was maximal fat loss, which would fit more along the lines of SA vs DB.
This is from the article:"Protein, on the other hand, is quite a player. You can eat all you want, and you still won’t store it as body fat. Standing next to John Andersen brought this fact home. This guy eats relatively low-fat, massively high-protein, and less than 20 grams of carbs per day—and he’s done this, he says, for nearly seven years.And guess what? He weighs 280 pounds, and there wasn’t an ounce of fat on him."So, sounds like 1:1 fat to protein is not as essential as many have said? Or is John Anderson just a freak?
I believe Keifer has stated (or i've read on the forums) that in the case of CNS/CBL too much protein and not enough fat can switch the body into burning protein for fuel which you don't want. Plus if that dude is 280 with no fat there's a good chance his genetics are a little better than yours or mine.
This is from the article:"Protein, on the other hand, is quite a player. You can eat all you want, and you still won’t store it as body fat. Standing next to John Andersen brought this fact home. This guy eats relatively low-fat, massively high-protein, and less than 20 grams of carbs per day—and he’s done this, he says, for nearly seven years.And guess what? He weighs 280 pounds, and there wasn’t an ounce of fat on him."So, sounds like 1:1 fat to protein is not as essential as many have said? Or is John Anderson just a freak?
The whole eating that much protein would be referred to in a backload not during the ULC part of the day.
Just read Kiefer's most recent article on DH.com. I posted a comment but not sure it went through so figured I would get some feed back here.There is a huge emphasis to get 1:1 fat to pro ratio on ULC portion (whether its carb backloading or CNS). Based on Kiefer's article and the research, it seems that the 1:1 ratio may not be that essential...some people may even do better at higher pro than fat (like John Anderson). Or is this article more so focused on fat PRODUCTION where as the 1:1 ratio is more beneficial for fat LOSS? Any thoughts on that?Secondly, my take home message from this article is that the ONLY time we should be eating a combination of carbs and fat (at the same meal) is later in our back loading window. Other wise there is really no beneficial time for these 2 macros to be combined. Would that be correct?
Keep in mind Kiefer stated this IF your goal was maximal fat loss, which would fit more along the lines of SA vs DB.
Ah that makes more sense. So one could do CBL SA "normally" and then do a badass switch to a Maximum Fat Loss CBL SA? I like this idea if that's the case >=]
Just read Kiefer's most recent article on DH.com. I posted a comment but not sure it went through so figured I would get some feed back here.There is a huge emphasis to get 1:1 fat to pro ratio on ULC portion (whether its carb backloading or CNS). Based on Kiefer's article and the research, it seems that the 1:1 ratio may not be that essential...some people may even do better at higher pro than fat (like John Anderson). Or is this article more so focused on fat PRODUCTION where as the 1:1 ratio is more beneficial for fat LOSS? Any thoughts on that?Secondly, my take home message from this article is that the ONLY time we should be eating a combination of carbs and fat (at the same meal) is later in our back loading window. Other wise there is really no beneficial time for these 2 macros to be combined. Would that be correct?
Keep in mind Kiefer stated this IF your goal was maximal fat loss, which would fit more along the lines of SA vs DB.
Ah that makes more sense. So one could do CBL SA "normally" and then do a badass switch to a Maximum Fat Loss CBL SA? I like this idea if that's the case >=]
You got it.
Just read Kiefer's most recent article on DH.com. I posted a comment but not sure it went through so figured I would get some feed back here.There is a huge emphasis to get 1:1 fat to pro ratio on ULC portion (whether its carb backloading or CNS). Based on Kiefer's article and the research, it seems that the 1:1 ratio may not be that essential...some people may even do better at higher pro than fat (like John Anderson). Or is this article more so focused on fat PRODUCTION where as the 1:1 ratio is more beneficial for fat LOSS? Any thoughts on that?Secondly, my take home message from this article is that the ONLY time we should be eating a combination of carbs and fat (at the same meal) is later in our back loading window. Other wise there is really no beneficial time for these 2 macros to be combined. Would that be correct?
Keep in mind Kiefer stated this IF your goal was maximal fat loss, which would fit more along the lines of SA vs DB.
Ah that makes more sense. So one could do CBL SA "normally" and then do a badass switch to a Maximum Fat Loss CBL SA? I like this idea if that's the case >=]
You got it.
Haha awesome!! I wonder how to really incorporate this way of fat loss for CN.
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