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So how bad would it be to drink Gatorade during your workout, since that's sucrose and dextrose?I'm not sure if there was ever an established limit on fructose, although I thought the number being passed around was 60 grams.Honestly, I've found that I need to count calories on some of these backloads just to be safe. I'm glad that the system keeps getting fine tuned.
So how bad would it be to drink Gatorade during your workout, since that's sucrose and dextrose?I'm not sure if there was ever an established limit on fructose, although I thought the number being passed around was 60 grams.Honestly, I've found that I need to count calories on some of these backloads just to be safe. I'm glad that the system keeps getting fine tuned.
During training doesn't seem like a good idea, unless it's truly brutal and lasting for 2 hours.
So how bad would it be to drink Gatorade during your workout, since that's sucrose and dextrose?I'm not sure if there was ever an established limit on fructose, although I thought the number being passed around was 60 grams.Honestly, I've found that I need to count calories on some of these backloads just to be safe. I'm glad that the system keeps getting fine tuned.
During training doesn't seem like a good idea, unless it's truly brutal and lasting for 2 hours.
Though he's not specific, in the BioJacked with John Meadows, I got the feeling Keifer maybe thinking intra-workout carbs can be utilized pretty well for most, especially when getting into lower BF% (single digits)
Having looked at John Meadows diet articles, he does not use a 1:1 ratio of protein to fat in the ULC portion of his day… Can't help thinking that natural body builders have always stuck with high protein diets, carbs around the training window and fat at other times when leaning up.
During training doesn't seem like a good idea, unless it's truly brutal and lasting for 2 hours.
This is what I have been doing as my workouts are close to 2 hours with the other two I train with. Instead of gatorade I usually throw in 150g of carbs from pure dextrose along with 25 to 30g of pepto pro, split that between two shakers, and drink it throughout the workout. Being the workouts last longer and I lift in the evening, this gives me a little wiggle room with my backloads as a portion of the carbs is already taken care of during the workout and I never come up short on carbs. Doing it this way vs no shake I can really notice a difference in recovery the next day.
I'm sure kiefer has seen this study, but clearly John Meadows's progress is counterevidence to what DrAndro is suggesting here. http://suppversity.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/700-increase-in-insulin-elevated-blood.htmlObviously carbs aren't necessary intraworkout as DrAndro says. And, I'd guess that the 2hr sessions Meadows and Tanner might do aren't really comparable to beginner/intermediate trainees. But, real world experimentation will always be the most conclusive.Still just thought I'd share this one.
During training doesn't seem like a good idea, unless it's truly brutal and lasting for 2 hours.
This is what I have been doing as my workouts are close to 2 hours with the other two I train with. Instead of gatorade I usually throw in 150g of carbs from pure dextrose along with 25 to 30g of pepto pro, split that between two shakers, and drink it throughout the workout. Being the workouts last longer and I lift in the evening, this gives me a little wiggle room with my backloads as a portion of the carbs is already taken care of during the workout and I never come up short on carbs. Doing it this way vs no shake I can really notice a difference in recovery the next day.
I definitely feel the increase in endurance from intra workout carbs. My workout can go a lot longer- and this is on Gatorade, which makes me laugh when I think about the T-nation drinks and how much money is dumped into those.Dextrose- I should do that and not the Gatorade, but it was on sale for $0.88...Tanner, supposedly you're the size of a truck now 🙂 How's your bench coming along?
I definitely feel the increase in endurance from intra workout carbs. My workout can go a lot longer- and this is on Gatorade, which makes me laugh when I think about the T-nation drinks and how much money is dumped into those.Dextrose- I should do that and not the Gatorade, but it was on sale for $0.88...Tanner, supposedly you're the size of a truck now 🙂 How's your bench coming along?
I find that kind of funny, because I think the carb slow me down. I'm used to training nonstop on just protein:fats, and now that I've taken to CBL I'm a lot slower in the gym than I used to be. I'm taking a few more rest breaks than I normally do, and my overall intensity hasn't really changed too much, but I find myself taking a lot longer pauses inbetween exercises than normal. No real strength changes though.
During training doesn't seem like a good idea, unless it's truly brutal and lasting for 2 hours.
This is what I have been doing as my workouts are close to 2 hours with the other two I train with. Instead of gatorade I usually throw in 150g of carbs from pure dextrose along with 25 to 30g of pepto pro, split that between two shakers, and drink it throughout the workout. Being the workouts last longer and I lift in the evening, this gives me a little wiggle room with my backloads as a portion of the carbs is already taken care of during the workout and I never come up short on carbs. Doing it this way vs no shake I can really notice a difference in recovery the next day.
I definitely feel the increase in endurance from intra workout carbs. My workout can go a lot longer- and this is on Gatorade, which makes me laugh when I think about the T-nation drinks and how much money is dumped into those.Dextrose- I should do that and not the Gatorade, but it was on sale for $0.88...Tanner, supposedly you're the size of a truck now 🙂 How's your bench coming along?
Just hovering around 261 to 262lb right now. I was hesitant on getting to this weight but as the weight crept up the abs stayed so I told Kiefer to keep rolling with it. Bench is coming along nicely. Last week was actually the first time I have been on a flat bench in about 14 weeks, from the workout he gave me he estimated my max to be around 350lb. Once I actually get used to the movement and start training it again I will go for a max and really get a solid idea of where I am at. I think it will be some awesome momentum to reach that 405, which I have previously accepted is impossible for me. I want the 405 bench not only because it's been a goal of mine for awhile now, but I would like Kiefer to stop referring to my bench as pathetic on 1 out of every 3 podcasts he does :). Announcing it publicly to everyone is what drives me.
Yeah gotta say this new article sort of goes against what Id taken from Kiefers Previous writtings. Id assumed that because the body is less likely to store fat immediately PWO that itd be best to have your fats in this first PWO meal. And that since you want insulin to return to baseline quickly nearest sleep (to allow for GH release) that itd be best to have less fat in this last meal. This is how Ive been structuring my CBLs and it seems to work well.
Ok you can still do the normal backload way that y'all have been doing. It's just another way for CBL to work for a Maximum Fat Loss.
If fat slows carb digestion does or doesn't that mean that insulin takes longer to clear the body? That's a big question for me because even though fat with carbs can give us a greater insulin spike, is it enough of a pay off given it's going to take additional time before growth hormone is released as we sleep if the addition of fat does, due to delaying the digestion of carbs, keep insulin elevated longer? At approximately 23% bodyfat I am very interested in maximum fat loss, but am I trading muscle growth for this extra bit of fat loss? And if so, is it significant enough fat loss to be worth the less than absolutely optimum muscle growth?I mean there is going to be some variance from person to person due to body composition, overall size etc.But there has to be a general idea for this right?
If fat slows carb digestion does or doesn't that mean that insulin takes longer to clear the body? That's a big question for me because even though fat with carbs can give us a greater insulin spike, is it enough of a pay off given it's going to take additional time before growth hormone is released as we sleep if the addition of fat does, due to delaying the digestion of carbs, keep insulin elevated longer? At approximately 23% bodyfat I am very interested in maximum fat loss, but am I trading muscle growth for this extra bit of fat loss? And if so, is it significant enough fat loss to be worth the less than absolutely optimum muscle growth?I mean there is going to be some variance from person to person due to body composition, overall size etc.But there has to be a general idea for this right?
So fat+carbs causes insulin to spike higher than carbs alone, but it does not cause it to spike any longer (fibrous carbs like brown rice would). It'd have no effect on growth hormone. Ideally for fat loss, you'd eat most of the fat/junk in the last meal of the backload vs the first, like most have already said. Experiment for yourself.
If fat slows carb digestion does or doesn't that mean that insulin takes longer to clear the body? That's a big question for me because even though fat with carbs can give us a greater insulin spike, is it enough of a pay off given it's going to take additional time before growth hormone is released as we sleep if the addition of fat does, due to delaying the digestion of carbs, keep insulin elevated longer? At approximately 23% bodyfat I am very interested in maximum fat loss, but am I trading muscle growth for this extra bit of fat loss? And if so, is it significant enough fat loss to be worth the less than absolutely optimum muscle growth?I mean there is going to be some variance from person to person due to body composition, overall size etc.But there has to be a general idea for this right?
So fat+carbs causes insulin to spike higher than carbs alone, but it does not cause it to spike any longer (fibrous carbs like brown rice would). It'd have no effect on growth hormone. Ideally for fat loss, you'd eat most of the fat/junk in the last meal of the backload vs the first, like most have already said. Experiment for yourself.
It's not the eating that causes the effect on growth hormone it's the clearing of insulin. I'm talking about near bed time here (that last meal of the backload) and how it takes approx. 2 hours of non-elevated insulin levels before gh starts getting released as we sleep. Fat slows the carb's digestion rate according to the article. So you are saying even though carb digestion IS slowed, the duration of insulin in the blood is unaffected?Of course I will be experimenting myself and a smart man will learn from his mistakes, but a wise man learns from other's mistakes.
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