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Hey guys,Just wondering what the least detrimental alcohol is for CBL. Hard Liquor, Cider Beer, Wine, or regular beer?
hard liquor but on CBL probably doesn't matter much...
they're all bad or what?
I would assume the liquid carb count from the actual beer itself, hard liquor (if done right) can leave you looking and feeling better the next morning.
hard liquor but on CBL probably doesn't matter much...
they're all bad or what?
I would assume the liquid carb count from the actual beer itself, hard liquor (if done right) can leave you looking and feeling better the next morning.
Yep it basically just revolves around alcohol in the presence or absence of food/carbs. Drinking hard liquor without any carb filled mixers will actually cause a release of ketones into the blood stream and can push you further into ketosis (if you take it to excess it will screw things up). Mind you during the time that you are drinking the body will stop burning fat and use the alcohol as an energy source first. Meaning anything you do intake during that period you are drinking will be stored. We have discussed this before and I believe Trevor said his normal planning is to try to avoid eating a couple hours before and afterwards which, is definitely a good plan. In terms of beer it has a low alcohol content so it won't take the body away from fat burning as much but it does have dietary carbs so it can boot you out of ketosis.
hard liquor but on CBL probably doesn't matter much...
they're all bad or what?
I would assume the liquid carb count from the actual beer itself, hard liquor (if done right) can leave you looking and feeling better the next morning.
Yep it basically just revolves around alcohol in the presence or absence of food/carbs. Drinking hard liquor without any carb filled mixers will actually cause a release of ketones into the blood stream and can push you further into ketosis (if you take it to excess it will screw things up). Mind you during the time that you are drinking the body will stop burning fat and use the alcohol as an energy source first. Meaning anything you do intake during that period you are drinking will be stored. We have discussed this before and I believe Trevor said his normal planning is to try to avoid eating a couple hours before and afterwards which, is definitely a good plan. In terms of beer it has a low alcohol content so it won't take the body away from fat burning as much but it does have dietary carbs so it can boot you out of ketosis.
I dont get this. If your body is busy metabolizing alcohol, how is anything you eat being "stored". The body largely has to metabolize food before it hits the blood stream so how is this suposed storage happening? To my understanding, Kiefers vacation alcohol protocol is based on aroud getting a good amount of carbs in before you drink so that those carbs can be metabolized and glycolitically stored, and then what you eat after starting to drink wont be metabolized until the body burns off the alcohol.. Carbs maybe, but I dont see how purely fat and protein would be.
hard liquor but on CBL probably doesn't matter much...
they're all bad or what?
I would assume the liquid carb count from the actual beer itself, hard liquor (if done right) can leave you looking and feeling better the next morning.
Yep it basically just revolves around alcohol in the presence or absence of food/carbs. Drinking hard liquor without any carb filled mixers will actually cause a release of ketones into the blood stream and can push you further into ketosis (if you take it to excess it will screw things up). Mind you during the time that you are drinking the body will stop burning fat and use the alcohol as an energy source first. Meaning anything you do intake during that period you are drinking will be stored. We have discussed this before and I believe Trevor said his normal planning is to try to avoid eating a couple hours before and afterwards which, is definitely a good plan. In terms of beer it has a low alcohol content so it won't take the body away from fat burning as much but it does have dietary carbs so it can boot you out of ketosis.
I dont get this. If your body is busy metabolizing alcohol, how is anything you eat being "stored". The body largely has to metabolize food before it hits the blood stream so how is this suposed storage happening? To my understanding, Kiefers vacation alcohol protocol is based on aroud getting a good amount of carbs in before you drink so that those carbs can be metabolized and glycolitically stored, and then what you eat after starting to drink wont be metabolized until the body burns off the alcohol.. Carbs maybe, but I dont see how purely fat and protein would be.
I could be wrong but I am fairly positive the body doesn't metabolize what you put into it by some sort of preference. If you have a cheeseburger, fries, and a couple of drinks the body is just going to go to work metabolizing all of that (hence the eat a fatty meal advice before going and drinking a lot...the body has to metabolize the fat and protein along side the alcohol). It will use the metabolites of the alcohol for energy first because that is a preferred source of energy. It will store the other metabolites of the food for use after it uses up the alcohol.
hard liquor but on CBL probably doesn't matter much...
they're all bad or what?
I would assume the liquid carb count from the actual beer itself, hard liquor (if done right) can leave you looking and feeling better the next morning.
Yep it basically just revolves around alcohol in the presence or absence of food/carbs. Drinking hard liquor without any carb filled mixers will actually cause a release of ketones into the blood stream and can push you further into ketosis (if you take it to excess it will screw things up). Mind you during the time that you are drinking the body will stop burning fat and use the alcohol as an energy source first. Meaning anything you do intake during that period you are drinking will be stored. We have discussed this before and I believe Trevor said his normal planning is to try to avoid eating a couple hours before and afterwards which, is definitely a good plan. In terms of beer it has a low alcohol content so it won't take the body away from fat burning as much but it does have dietary carbs so it can boot you out of ketosis.
I dont get this. If your body is busy metabolizing alcohol, how is anything you eat being "stored". The body largely has to metabolize food before it hits the blood stream so how is this suposed storage happening? To my understanding, Kiefers vacation alcohol protocol is based on aroud getting a good amount of carbs in before you drink so that those carbs can be metabolized and glycolitically stored, and then what you eat after starting to drink wont be metabolized until the body burns off the alcohol.. Carbs maybe, but I dont see how purely fat and protein would be.
It gets stored because your body has to do something with the fat you are consuming. If it's busy using alcohol for fuel, where else can the fatty acids go other than your fat cells?
So why would kiefer recommend eating on a CN coupled with drinking, multiple times for the vaca protocol?
So if you're going to drink on CBL or CN it's best to load up on food some hours BEFORE starting drinking, and then using as pure alcohol as possible – and then not eat after drinking ends (or at least until the next day)?
So why would kiefer recommend eating on a CN coupled with drinking, multiple times for the vaca protocol?
If you recall there were several other things that were required for the vacation protocol:1. You had to be on Carb Nite the week before the protocol.2. You had to be on a high volume training program the week before the protocol. Kiefer actually states that you want to "slightly overtrain" yourself by the time your vacation starts.3. You had to abstain from alcohol the entire month before the start of the protocol.4. The protocol can only be used for 5 days5. You had to fast until 2 PM the days you are drinkingAs you can see the combination of all those things will have profound effects on a person's metabolism and how the handle alcohol and store fat. Also I believe Kiefer said the only thing the alcohol protocol does is that it causes the body to simply waste the carbs you consume. I don't think he mentioned anything about the fat you consume.
So if you're going to drink on CBL or CN it's best to load up on food some hours BEFORE starting drinking, and then using as pure alcohol as possible - and then not eat after drinking ends (or at least until the next day)?
I wouldn't load up. If you eat a massive meal it is going to take longer to move through. Eat normally and then refrain from eating a couple hours before drinking. If you are drinking a lot of alcohol it can take a while to be processed by your body so it would be best to avoid drunk eating but eating a protein based snack/meal isn't going to kill you.
So why would kiefer recommend eating on a CN coupled with drinking, multiple times for the vaca protocol?
If you recall there were several other things that were required for the vacation protocol:1. You had to be on Carb Nite the week before the protocol.2. You had to be on a high volume training program the week before the protocol. Kiefer actually states that you want to "slightly overtrain" yourself by the time your vacation starts.3. You had to abstain from alcohol the entire month before the start of the protocol.4. The protocol can only be used for 5 days5. You had to fast until 2 PM the days you are drinkingAs you can see the combination of all those things will have profound effects on a person's metabolism and how the handle alcohol and store fat. Also I believe Kiefer said the only thing the alcohol protocol does is that it causes the body to simply waste the carbs you consume. I don't think he mentioned anything about the fat you consume.
Good point, I hadn't read it recently and didnt recall all the addition circumstances
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