Looking thru the book again…

[Trevor G Fullbright]

Carbs and Fats provide the insulin response combine. Fats and Proteins provide a blunted insulin response. It's the combination of these macros that trigger events with ULC and backload meals.

Was this covered somewhere in one of the books and I totally glossed over it? Cuz I'm leaning toward the "Say what?" side of things, ha.Wouldn't this provide an argument, then, to go high fat and high carb for all CN/CBL meals?

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

[TCB]

Carbs and Fats provide the insulin response combine. Fats and Proteins provide a blunted insulin response. It's the combination of these macros that trigger events with ULC and backload meals.

Was this covered somewhere in one of the books and I totally glossed over it? Cuz I'm leaning toward the "Say what?" side of things, ha.Wouldn't this provide an argument, then, to go high fat and high carb for all CN/CBL meals?

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

Gotcha, did some Google-fu'ing and read this article which kinda explains it all sciency:http://athlete.io/1733/hi-tech-nutrient-conversion-lessons-for-carb-back-loading/But basically, I've been doing it the suggested way, just for the wrong reasons, lol.

[T-Bone300]

thanks for posting the article, didn't realise that dextrose was just another name for glucose which makes this statement really good."Glucose does not convert easily into fatty acids, although both the liver and fat cells[4-15] will turn glucose into fat through a process called de novo lipogenesis. Even then, the total fat stored from glucose is a small percentage of ingested glucose, less than 5%[4, 11, 13], probably because the process is energetically expensive"

[Aarron]

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

Just with the part in bold, is it right for both the 1st hald and 2nd half to be the same, or was one meant to be with protein? Many thanks

[Trevor G Fullbright]

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

Just with the part in bold, is it right for both the 1st hald and 2nd half to be the same, or was one meant to be with protein? Many thanks

I'm sorry, do what?

[T-Bone300]

the article posted by tbrenden recommends reducing the fat in the first and adding more fat in the second backload

[Aarron]

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

Just with the part in bold, is it right for both the 1st hald and 2nd half to be the same, or was one meant to be with protein? Many thanks

sorry I didnt understand your post, so during a 2-3 hour backload, is it good to have high fat and high carb in both halfs of the backload? thanksI'm sorry, do what?

[Trevor G Fullbright]

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

Just with the part in bold, is it right for both the 1st hald and 2nd half to be the same, or was one meant to be with protein? Many thanks

sorry I didnt understand your post, so during a 2-3 hour backload, is it good to have high fat and high carb in both halfs of the backload? thanksI'm sorry, do what?

I don't know rather I'd say good, more so it wont really matter all the much. Providing you start off with something like a PWO shake.

[Aarron]

Cheers Trevorxgage

[TCB]

Again, it comes down to avoiding having high free fatty acid levels and high blood glucose/insulin at the same time.So if your backload is 2-3 hours you could have high fat with high carbs, and for the last half of the carb night it can be good to have high fat and high carb.

Just with the part in bold, is it right for both the 1st hald and 2nd half to be the same, or was one meant to be with protein? Many thanks

I'm sorry, do what?

sorry I didnt understand your post, so during a 2-3 hour backload, is it good to have high fat and high carb in both halfs of the backload? thanks

I think the best option is going to be, regardless of backload duration, to "fat backload" within the backload. Meaning save the majority of the fats until toward the end of the backload time frame.

[Richard Schmitt]

Yes that's correct.

[apisula2000]

Sorry, don't understand the question can you reframe pleaseThe difference between trashy and clean is more about things like the hydrogenated fats, additives etc... Dextrose and sticky rice are considered clean, doughnuts and cakes dirtyMainstream believes would probably classify brown wholegrain rice as clean and white rice as trashy due to the high glycemic index

I guess my real question would be, why the pizza though?  If its an off day, don't you want to stay ULC?  I don't backload everyday.  I only do Mon, Wed and Friday's.  Pizza to me would seem like a logical choice on a BL night, wouldn't be such a great choice on an off day.  I understand the fat content from the cheese and meats possibly, but the sauce and crust alone will put you well above a ULC day.  I was under the impression that on off days after the 10 day prep, you still keep your carb intake to under 30g PERIOD except on BL nights.  I know that all are different, but am I misunderstanding this?

[TCB]

Sorry, don't understand the question can you reframe pleaseThe difference between trashy and clean is more about things like the hydrogenated fats, additives etc... Dextrose and sticky rice are considered clean, doughnuts and cakes dirtyMainstream believes would probably classify brown wholegrain rice as clean and white rice as trashy due to the high glycemic index

I guess my real question would be, why the pizza though?  If its an off day, don't you want to stay ULC?  I don't backload everyday.  I only do Mon, Wed and Friday's.  Pizza to me would seem like a logical choice on a BL night, wouldn't be such a great choice on an off day.  I understand the fat content from the cheese and meats possibly, but the sauce and crust alone will put you well above a ULC day.  I was under the impression that on off days after the 10 day prep, you still keep your carb intake to under 30g PERIOD except on BL nights.  I know that all are different, but am I misunderstanding this?

Lots of reasons you might backload on an off-night. Like if you're doing early AM training the next day, or you've had 2-3 days off and you're going back the next day, etc. Backloading on an off-day would be under "exceptions to the rule" for specific reasons, really. Or, if you're on DB, I suppose.

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