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I noticed looking through the book again for the off day for backloading example, Kiefer has pizza for dinner. Is this recommending for BD vs SA off days? Seems strange to have a high glycemic carb on my off day.
the principles of carb backloading are based on consuming high glycemic carbs. either way pizza's fat content is usually so high that i feel like it could react like a low glycemic carb in your body because the fat slows down the release of insulin.
the principles of carb backloading are based on consuming high glycemic carbs. either way pizza's fat content is usually so high that i feel like it could react like a low glycemic carb in your body because the fat slows down the release of insulin.
This is incorrect.Fat, particularly saturated fat will increase the insulin response so that glucose will clear before fat enters the system. Pizza is a great off day carb because it is more filling then say... rice. I could eat 300g of carbs from rice like nothing, but from pizza that's harder. Some people need off days carbs because of their training load or their goals.
the principles of carb backloading are based on consuming high glycemic carbs. either way pizza's fat content is usually so high that i feel like it could react like a low glycemic carb in your body because the fat slows down the release of insulin.
This is incorrect.Fat, particularly saturated fat will increase the insulin response so that glucose will clear before fat enters the system. Pizza is a great off day carb because it is more filling then say... rice. I could eat 300g of carbs from rice like nothing, but from pizza that's harder. Some people need off days carbs because of their training load or their goals.
Thanks for the explanation. Helps out a lot. At this point I am only SA and not DB, so I don't think pizza is in my list of goals for off days, but I plan on going DB after the summer.
the principles of carb backloading are based on consuming high glycemic carbs. either way pizza's fat content is usually so high that i feel like it could react like a low glycemic carb in your body because the fat slows down the release of insulin.
This is incorrect.Fat, particularly saturated fat will increase the insulin response so that glucose will clear before fat enters the system. Pizza is a great off day carb because it is more filling then say... rice. I could eat 300g of carbs from rice like nothing, but from pizza that's harder. Some people need off days carbs because of their training load or their goals.
I thought the explanation here was that as these specific fats take so long to process (e.g. 2-8 hours) then this has no real impact on the insulin spike and is also beneficial during sleep to prevent hypoglycemia. If memory serves this was in the podcast with Jonathan Watson (the Brit from Propane Fitness), although I believe they used ice cream as the example.
the principles of carb backloading are based on consuming high glycemic carbs. either way pizza's fat content is usually so high that i feel like it could react like a low glycemic carb in your body because the fat slows down the release of insulin.
This is incorrect.Fat, particularly saturated fat will increase the insulin response so that glucose will clear before fat enters the system. Pizza is a great off day carb because it is more filling then say... rice. I could eat 300g of carbs from rice like nothing, but from pizza that's harder. Some people need off days carbs because of their training load or their goals.
I thought the explanation here was that as these specific fats take so long to process (e.g. 2-8 hours) then this has no real impact on the insulin spike and is also beneficial during sleep to prevent hypoglycemia. If memory serves this was in the podcast with Jonathan Watson (the Brit from Propane Fitness), although I believe they used ice cream as the example.
It's actually both true. The fats take awhile to process so it doesn't slow an insulin response, but the body tends to release more insulin to clear the glucose to allow the fat to be used as energy as soon as the glucose/insulin levels return to baseline.
So talking about that, what is the real difference between eating a trashy meal last and a clean 1st if the fat wont be the issue?
Sorry, don't understand the question can you reframe pleaseThe difference between trashy and clean is more about things like the hydrogenated fats, additives etc... Dextrose and sticky rice are considered clean, doughnuts and cakes dirtyMainstream believes would probably classify brown wholegrain rice as clean and white rice as trashy due to the high glycemic index
Yeah that wasnt my question hehe,My question is about eating carbs with no fat as the 1st backload and then eat the fatty bakload in the end,I thought it was because of the fat that slowed the absortion, but seemingly it is the opossite, so why do we have to eat the fattier backload in the end?
Yeah that wasnt my question hehe,My question is about eating carbs with no fat as the 1st backload and then eat the fatty bakload in the end,I thought it was because of the fat that slowed the absortion, but seemingly it is the opossite, so why do we have to eat the fattier backload in the end?
To avoid having high bloodglucose/insulin levels and high free fatty acid levels at the same time.If you keep your carb window short it doesn't matter at all, but if you are eating within a 4-6 hour window you need to keep it in mind.
So if one works out at 21pm and only have 1-2 hours of feeding, it could even be optimal to eat a complete spectrum of macro?since it inst the absortion thats the issue, i guess its ok to do that 🙂
So if one works out at 21pm and only have 1-2 hours of feeding, it could even be optimal to eat a complete spectrum of macro?since it inst the absortion thats the issue, i guess its ok to do that 🙂
Yep
the principles of carb backloading are based on consuming high glycemic carbs. either way pizza's fat content is usually so high that i feel like it could react like a low glycemic carb in your body because the fat slows down the release of insulin.
This is incorrect.Fat, particularly saturated fat will increase the insulin response so that glucose will clear before fat enters the system. Pizza is a great off day carb because it is more filling then say... rice. I could eat 300g of carbs from rice like nothing, but from pizza that's harder. Some people need off days carbs because of their training load or their goals.
I thought the explanation here was that as these specific fats take so long to process (e.g. 2-8 hours) then this has no real impact on the insulin spike and is also beneficial during sleep to prevent hypoglycemia. If memory serves this was in the podcast with Jonathan Watson (the Brit from Propane Fitness), although I believe they used ice cream as the example.
It's actually both true. The fats take awhile to process so it doesn't slow an insulin response, but the body tends to release more insulin to clear the glucose to allow the fat to be used as energy as soon as the glucose/insulin levels return to baseline.
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the problem then arise with your next meal, because then the body is in process of digesting those fats, thus blunting the new insulin spike you're trying to create?That's the reason I've been going off of for keeping my first CN/BL meal low fat, second (if I have one) low-med fat, and last meal of the night as much fat as I want.. Off base?
Carbs and Fats provide the insulin response combine. Fats and Proteins provide a blunted insulin response. It's the combination of these macros that trigger events with ULC and backload meals.
Carbs and Fats provide the insulin response combine. Fats and Proteins provide a blunted insulin response. It's the combination of these macros that trigger events with ULC and backload meals.
Was this covered somewhere in one of the books and I totally glossed over it? Cuz I'm leaning toward the "Say what?" side of things, ha.Wouldn't this provide an argument, then, to go high fat and high carb for all CN/CBL meals?
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