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Would this still be classified as a refined sugar?
Yes. Short of basically chewing on sugar cane stalks, almost all sugars are "refined" in some way.
Oh man, that sounds great. I would love to chew on a sugar cane stalk on carb nite! I would get one every time we went to whole foods as a kid (Whole foods was about 2 hours away in a big city, so we only went once or twice a year. It was a big treat to go into the city!)Now whole foods is just down the road.... *rubs hands together greedily.*
Don't do it! Too much fiber.. would ruin the effect of carb nite. 😛 😉
I hope your kidding.... lol
Well, kind of. If we look at it seriously, sugar cane itself is very fibrous. And we don't necessarily want fiber during CN's/BL's.. But also, you really wouldn't get much actual sugar from chewing on sugar cane. I think I remember hearing you'd need to chew up like 6 feet of it or something to equal the amount of sugar in one Coke, so that wouldn't make it optimal either.But yes, I was kidding. 😉
Oh man, that sounds great. I would love to chew on a sugar cane stalk on carb nite! I would get one every time we went to whole foods as a kid (Whole foods was about 2 hours away in a big city, so we only went once or twice a year. It was a big treat to go into the city!)Now whole foods is just down the road.... *rubs hands together greedily.*
Don't do it! Too much fiber.. would ruin the effect of carb nite. 😛 😉
I hope your kidding.... lol
Well, kind of. If we look at it seriously, sugar cane itself is very fibrous. And we don't necessarily want fiber during CN's/BL's.. But also, you really wouldn't get much actual sugar from chewing on sugar cane. I think I remember hearing you'd need to chew up like 6 feet of it or something to equal the amount of sugar in one Coke, so that wouldn't make it optimal either.But yes, I was kidding. 😉
Well, I wouldn't think you would get much fiber out of the thing either... we pretty much just chewed and sucked on the sugar cane, only the liquid from it we ingested. It'd pretty much just be for the simple enjoyment of childhood memories, lol.
Oh man, that sounds great. I would love to chew on a sugar cane stalk on carb nite! I would get one every time we went to whole foods as a kid (Whole foods was about 2 hours away in a big city, so we only went once or twice a year. It was a big treat to go into the city!)Now whole foods is just down the road.... *rubs hands together greedily.*
Don't do it! Too much fiber.. would ruin the effect of carb nite. 😛 😉
I hope your kidding.... lol
Well, kind of. If we look at it seriously, sugar cane itself is very fibrous. And we don't necessarily want fiber during CN's/BL's.. But also, you really wouldn't get much actual sugar from chewing on sugar cane. I think I remember hearing you'd need to chew up like 6 feet of it or something to equal the amount of sugar in one Coke, so that wouldn't make it optimal either.But yes, I was kidding. 😉
Well, I wouldn't think you would get much fiber out of the thing either... we pretty much just chewed and sucked on the sugar cane, only the liquid from it we ingested. It'd pretty much just be for the simple enjoyment of childhood memories, lol.
Ha, yes. Me thinks if you actually ate and swallowed the pieces, you may have a very rough "go" of things later..
Taking in fiber isn't necessarily a bad thing on CN. If your downing a Pint of rice and 3 cups of broccoli that fiber isnt going to slow anything. It may help some people get much needed fiber into the diet. The idea is just to not rely on sources like whole grain bread and fibrous starches. Because they will keep your blood sugar level raised for an extended period of time, and wont ever raise them enough to get the hormonal “reset” your looking to achieve.
Fiber shouldn't be a problem. Just don't use fibrous vegetables or whole grains as primary carb sources. If some make their way in though, it's not really a huge deal.
With regards to quantity – my last meal is usually ice cream, I was thinking 1/4 c. maple syrup (53g carbs) with two spotted bananas. That sound ok?
I pour a few tablespoons of it over my chicken to glaze it then add rice for my stir fry.If you want a bit of a kick then add a chilli pepper. I like it, but it's probably not for everyone. Things like honey and maple syrup are used a lot in cooking and should be ok with carb nite and with backloading.
With regards to quantity - my last meal is usually ice cream, I was thinking 1/4 c. maple syrup (53g carbs) with two spotted bananas. That sound ok?
I think your over thinking this wayyyy to much. But I would say I wouldnt have that as my last meal at all. Thats an entire meal of fructose. Sugar from Ice Cream, Maple Syrup, and Bananas. If you cant live without all that than go fat free with the ice cream and make it how you start off your CN. Just my suggestion.
Hey C-Bachelor – I actually make my own ice cream…my CarbNite is all low-fat except the last meal has some. Here is what I'm trying this time:Ice cream made from 10 TBSP sugar free pumpkin spice coffee creamer (about 3/4 c., roughly 20g fat)1.25 c. skim milk1/2 c. dextroseThen I was planning to add 1/8 or 1/4 c. maple sypup and two ripe bananasThe rest of my CarbNite is: Jasmine Rice, Rice Krisipes w/ dextrose and skim milk, Rice Pudding with skim milk and dextrose, then the ice cream...
Hey C-Bachelor - I actually make my own ice cream...my CarbNite is all low-fat except the last meal has some. Here is what I'm trying this time:Ice cream made from 10 TBSP sugar free pumpkin spice coffee creamer (about 3/4 c., roughly 20g fat)1.25 c. skim milk1/2 c. dextroseThen I was planning to add 1/8 or 1/4 c. maple sypup and two ripe bananasThe rest of my CarbNite is: Jasmine Rice, Rice Krisipes w/ dextrose and skim milk, Rice Pudding with skim milk and dextrose, then the ice cream...
I think CBach's point was just that you're OPTIMALLY better off doing fructose early in your CN as opposed to later. The reason being that your liver can soak up the fructose before it fills up with other sugars.. If you fill your liver up, then have a bunch of fructose, it has nowhere to go except to fat (Very simply put,anyway)..But, if you're still making progress doing what you're doing, keep on it and save the changes for when/if you stall, as I always say!
Hey C-Bachelor - I actually make my own ice cream...my CarbNite is all low-fat except the last meal has some. Here is what I'm trying this time:Ice cream made from 10 TBSP sugar free pumpkin spice coffee creamer (about 3/4 c., roughly 20g fat)1.25 c. skim milk1/2 c. dextroseThen I was planning to add 1/8 or 1/4 c. maple sypup and two ripe bananasThe rest of my CarbNite is: Jasmine Rice, Rice Krisipes w/ dextrose and skim milk, Rice Pudding with skim milk and dextrose, then the ice cream...
I think CBach's point was just that you're OPTIMALLY better off doing fructose early in your CN as opposed to later. The reason being that your liver can soak up the fructose before it fills up with other sugars.. If you fill your liver up, then have a bunch of fructose, it has nowhere to go except to fat (Very simply put,anyway)..But, if you're still making progress doing what you're doing, keep on it and save the changes for when/if you stall, as I always say!
Ahhh - I see, thanks for pointing that out. I get it now, thank you! So maybe doing some rice pudding w/ maple syrup and a ripe banana may be the way to kick things off. Thank you!So far I've made good progress but I'm nowhere near where I'd like to ultimately be. I guess the biggest thing I'm struggling with at the moment is whether or not I should be consuming anything before my early am workout.I currently wake up at 5:15 and train fasted with the air of a pre-workout drink. I come home, have PWO shake of WPI, BCAAs, and Glutamine. Two hours later I have my first ULC meal, then lunch, and dinner.Should I be throwing in creatine PWO? I have a bunch but haven't started taking it. I don't know why but I thought I should be leaner before starting it.
I think CBach's point was just that you're OPTIMALLY better off doing fructose early in your CN as opposed to later. The reason being that your liver can soak up the fructose before it fills up with other sugars.. If you fill your liver up, then have a bunch of fructose, it has nowhere to go except to fat (Very simply put,anyway)..But, if you're still making progress doing what you're doing, keep on it and save the changes for when/if you stall, as I always say!
This makes sense, and goes along with what I've been reading, but I do have a question. I thought it was suggested to have a spotty banana to top off the night and you wanted to have it later in the CN. So with this we would actually have any fruit we were craving at the start of the CN? Makes sense I suppose. Guess I'll move my post workout banana from my dessert scone to my fruity pebble bowl. 🙂
It might just be me, but my head is spinning on why you wouldn't just take the syrup, or one banana out of the equation entirely. Theres a chance that it might not hurt to take it in. But theres an 100% change that if you dont, your going to be ingesting more ideal carbs. Just my thought. But I looked at my CN the same as I do my BL now. Yea it gives a little room to eat some good grub. But if I can eat some good grub and its 100% ideal for the effectiveness of protocol that Im following. Thats what Im going to do. Im deff not trying to be rude or anything. But there are alternatives to maple syrup that have been explained. Additionally if you want a banana, why not just eat one? Replace the carbs from the Banana & Syrup with Rice Cakes, cereal, Rice, Pancakes, something thats going to be 100% sure to restore glycogen and still spike insulin, with much less change of being stored anywhere else. Just my thoughts, but as TCB mentioned ''if you're still making progress doing what you're doing, keep on it and save the changes for when/if you stall.''I just personally see the fructose intake as something I could preemptively change to maximize effectiveness.
Hey man – thanks for the comments. I'm going to do as you suggest. Look to replace the maple syrup w/ corn syrup (correct?) and remove the banana or have ONE earlier in the evening, maybe with my rice crisipes. I hadn't thought of rice cakes. Do you make or buy your rice cakes? Just looking at Quaker brand, it looks like the majority of their cakes are made from brown rice? I thought this was to be avoided on CarbNite as it has a lower spike than white rice?
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