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Thanks. Just try to K.I.S.S! as much as possible!
+1If you want a breakdown, make every meal on Carb Nite starch based and if you want, you can have a dessert to compliment it.
^Agreed
I agree as well.. also for me if I was going to use a "sugar" based sweetener I'd go with a quality raw honey not that the effect of the actual sugar part of it makes any overall difference but raw honey has shown to have some other benefits to health(although to some it does have some nasty negatives.. heh)
Good point, goes along with what im saying as far as maximizing the effectiveness. It might be easy to forget (esp on your CN) that acheiving a healthy Body Comp (therefor overall health) is your main goal. Doing little things like that shows you are focused toward that goal, and will help you acheive it. For example I personally dont have a gluten tolerance, but I make all efforts to avoid it. (using GF baking mixes and breads, etc.)
Hey C-Bachelor - I actually make my own ice cream...my CarbNite is all low-fat except the last meal has some. Here is what I'm trying this time:Ice cream made from 10 TBSP sugar free pumpkin spice coffee creamer (about 3/4 c., roughly 20g fat)1.25 c. skim milk1/2 c. dextroseThen I was planning to add 1/8 or 1/4 c. maple sypup and two ripe bananasThe rest of my CarbNite is: Jasmine Rice, Rice Krisipes w/ dextrose and skim milk, Rice Pudding with skim milk and dextrose, then the ice cream...
I think CBach's point was just that you're OPTIMALLY better off doing fructose early in your CN as opposed to later. The reason being that your liver can soak up the fructose before it fills up with other sugars.. If you fill your liver up, then have a bunch of fructose, it has nowhere to go except to fat (Very simply put,anyway)..But, if you're still making progress doing what you're doing, keep on it and save the changes for when/if you stall, as I always say!
This line of thinking makes sense to me, but according to Kiefer, it's best to break the ketogenic cycle with pure glucose. He actually says to save the stuff with lots of sugar towards the end of the Carb Nite. However, I heard him say the opposite too, so...yea.Seriously don't worry about fructose on Carb Nite. You have to be chugging soft drinks for it to be a problem.
Agreed.. Especially on CN, fructose shouldn't be your main worry, but it also can't hurt to eliminate it.As far as Kiefer saying put the lots of sugar stuff toward the end, I bet you that's because he's counting on appetite regulation pretty severely limiting how much you'll take in. I have no evidence that is what his line of thinking was, just a hunch.
We already discussed through that point.. The sugar is coupled with starches (donuts, cake, turnovers, etc). Sort of like having 1/2 Hypertrophic Shake with your Pizza or Sandwich on a BL. To get the extra insulin boost in. While shuttling the useful carbs into glycogen stores.
Hey C-Bachelor - I actually make my own ice cream...my CarbNite is all low-fat except the last meal has some. Here is what I'm trying this time:Ice cream made from 10 TBSP sugar free pumpkin spice coffee creamer (about 3/4 c., roughly 20g fat)1.25 c. skim milk1/2 c. dextroseThen I was planning to add 1/8 or 1/4 c. maple sypup and two ripe bananasThe rest of my CarbNite is: Jasmine Rice, Rice Krisipes w/ dextrose and skim milk, Rice Pudding with skim milk and dextrose, then the ice cream...
I think CBach's point was just that you're OPTIMALLY better off doing fructose early in your CN as opposed to later. The reason being that your liver can soak up the fructose before it fills up with other sugars.. If you fill your liver up, then have a bunch of fructose, it has nowhere to go except to fat (Very simply put,anyway)..But, if you're still making progress doing what you're doing, keep on it and save the changes for when/if you stall, as I always say!
This line of thinking makes sense to me, but according to Kiefer, it's best to break the ketogenic cycle with pure glucose. He actually says to save the stuff with lots of sugar towards the end of the Carb Nite. However, I heard him say the opposite too, so...yea.Seriously don't worry about fructose on Carb Nite. You have to be chugging soft drinks for it to be a problem.
Agreed.. Especially on CN, fructose shouldn't be your main worry, but it also can't hurt to eliminate it.As far as Kiefer saying put the lots of sugar stuff toward the end, I bet you that's because he's counting on appetite regulation pretty severely limiting how much you'll take in. I have no evidence that is what his line of thinking was, just a hunch.
This is what Kiefer said:
To break the ketogenic cycle, we should use as pure of glucose as possible. For example, immediately post training (or the first meal that breaks the ketogenic part of the diet), we should ingest primarily glucose (not sucrose and not honey, as it’s possible that the disaccharides can be more lipogenic than fructose alone[35]). The body fails to convert glucose into fat at any appreciable rate but we should probably avoid ingesting it with fast-acting fats (like MCT) as this has some potential to increase triglyceride storage.
Kiefer also mentioned before that glucose will be partitioned to muscle glycogen, not liver glycogen, post workout because of tGLUT.
Thanks guys for the great information. I agree that I have a tendency to overanalyze things. I also agree with the idea that I would like this diet to be as optimal as possible.Last night was my CN - I had jasmine rice to start, rice krispies (made from white rice, gluten free) with dextrose and a banana with skim milk, then sweet white rice pudding made with skim milk, dextrose, cinnamon and nutmeg. I had my homemade ice cream planned but at that point I did NOT want anything sweet so as a curveball I went with some low-fat graham crackers and skim milk. Overall it was probably 200g carbs less than what I typically ingest but I feel a heck of a lot better this morning than I typically do. Normally I feel bloated and tired, this time I felt pretty tight and energized. In light of what Kiefer says about pure glucose, should I consider having a small dextrose shake to start the CarbNite followed by the jasmine rice?I always try to stay gluten-free even though I don't have any intolerances except for eggs.Any of you guys do anything low-fat and savory on CarbNite? By the end of it the thought of something sweet is sickening.
Thanks guys for the great information. I agree that I have a tendency to overanalyze things. I also agree with the idea that I would like this diet to be as optimal as possible.Last night was my CN - I had jasmine rice to start, rice krispies (made from white rice, gluten free) with dextrose and a banana with skim milk, then sweet white rice pudding made with skim milk, dextrose, cinnamon and nutmeg. I had my homemade ice cream planned but at that point I did NOT want anything sweet so as a curveball I went with some low-fat graham crackers and skim milk. Overall it was probably 200g carbs less than what I typically ingest but I feel a heck of a lot better this morning than I typically do. Normally I feel bloated and tired, this time I felt pretty tight and energized. In light of what Kiefer says about pure glucose, should I consider having a small dextrose shake to start the CarbNite followed by the jasmine rice?I always try to stay gluten-free even though I don't have any intolerances except for eggs.Any of you guys do anything low-fat and savory on CarbNite? By the end of it the thought of something sweet is sickening.
Chicken and rice? That is my low fat, savory carb meal of choice. I use General Tso's sauce or BBQ sauce, which I guess is kind of sweet, but you could use soy sauce or something if you want no sweetness whatsoever.
Thanks iBob – ny thoughts on this: should I consider having a small dextrose shake to start the CarbNite followed by the jasmine rice?
Thanks iBob - ny thoughts on this: should I consider having a small dextrose shake to start the CarbNite followed by the jasmine rice?
I wouldn't. I would eat real food. But if you want to, I guess it's fine.
Agreed.. Especially on CN, fructose shouldn't be your main worry, but it also can't hurt to eliminate it.As far as Kiefer saying put the lots of sugar stuff toward the end, I bet you that's because he's counting on appetite regulation pretty severely limiting how much you'll take in. I have no evidence that is what his line of thinking was, just a hunch.
This is what Kiefer said:
To break the ketogenic cycle, we should use as pure of glucose as possible. For example, immediately post training (or the first meal that breaks the ketogenic part of the diet), we should ingest primarily glucose (not sucrose and not honey, as it’s possible that the disaccharides can be more lipogenic than fructose alone[35]). The body fails to convert glucose into fat at any appreciable rate but we should probably avoid ingesting it with fast-acting fats (like MCT) as this has some potential to increase triglyceride storage.
Kiefer also mentioned before that glucose will be partitioned to muscle glycogen, not liver glycogen, post workout because of tGLUT.
Yeah, completely get that. It actually kind of leads me to believe more what I was meaning.. And that part of his intention in recommending "sugary" foods (sugar as in sucrose) to be saved til later is the appetite regulation factor. Just meaning that by the end of your CN you will likely be more satiated and not have as much room to shove sucrose down your hole as you could do at the beginning of a CN. Perhaps just a side benefit. But yeah, definitely as pure of glucose as possible for all meals would be optimal.And chicken & rice w/ either BBQ or Sweet & Sour sauce is my go-to low fat meal, too.. And probably the one I enjoy the most, ha.
I go white rice, egg whites, onion/pepper, with a couple TBSP of sweet-n-sour, enough to give a orangish tone to all the rice. YUMMM 8)
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