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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdwCladRjHU&feature=g-all-uI am a little confused here. After reading Julia Ladewski's article here about C.B.L. and the comments there after, I got the idea that you could do C.B.L. at a higher body fat percentage. Even Kiefer replied saying that he has brought clients down to 15 % from 25 % with C.B.L. Now Mark Bell, whom I have great respect for and am encouraged by, has come down saying not to do C.B.L. if you are a "FATTIE". And, to not eat "junk" carbs, when we are reminded to not "forget the cheesecake". So, any comments on this video?Edit: Julia Ladewski's article about C.B.L.http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2031/18-months-of-carb-back-loading-with-julia-ladewski/
I guess it depends on A. Whether you are male or female B. What your main goals are and C. How fast you want to do it. I dont think getting to 15% and lower on CBL is that hard (doing it myself, probably around 12% atm). It may take longer but if you want to lose the chub without any strength loss thats the way Id do it. If you really want just pure fatloss then CNS should work faster.
Ah back to this topic again. You can do CBL if you are above 15%, it's just that you won't get any better results (even as far as muscle is concerned unless you are really advanced) than if you did Carb Nite. The problem is that CBL is even more delicate at the higher bodyfat percentages due to less insulin sensitivity.SO CNS will get you there faster, with identical results, and the chances of success are much higher. Hence the reccomendation for CNS at the higher boyfat percentages.
Really, I think his main point was that if you're a fat guy, get your diet and nutrition in check before you start trying to find excuses to justify the way you live your life. Clean up your eating habits first and let that take you as far as it can go and THEN you can start looking into optmizing your performance through diet/nutrition (I.e. CNS and CBL).
Ah back to this topic again. You can do CBL if you are above 15%, it's just that you won't get any better results (even as far as muscle is concerned unless you are really advanced) than if you did Carb Nite. The problem is that CBL is even more delicate at the higher bodyfat percentages due to less insulin sensitivity.SO CNS will get you there faster, with identical results, and the chances of success are much higher. Hence the reccomendation for CNS at the higher boyfat percentages.
Yeah... sorry! I was just wanting to see what everyone thought about this. It just piques my interest how there can be different views from different insiders. Right now, I am doing C.B.L. with what I would guess to be about 20 % body-fat. I get different readings from various places. Calipers, hand held devices and so on... But, I have a very similar story to that of Mark Bell. Well the background is the same, not the strength. So, I am always looking for different observations and experiences. And, make no mistake, I am not putting down CBL but more of an inquiry to those different experiences. I am going to continue to do C.B.L. until the end of the year as I have planned and run the 2 diets until I can stay on C.B.L. full time.
Ah back to this topic again. You can do CBL if you are above 15%, it's just that you won't get any better results (even as far as muscle is concerned unless you are really advanced) than if you did Carb Nite. The problem is that CBL is even more delicate at the higher bodyfat percentages due to less insulin sensitivity.SO CNS will get you there faster, with identical results, and the chances of success are much higher. Hence the reccomendation for CNS at the higher boyfat percentages.
+1CBL is a lot easier to screw up.And quite honestly, those of us in love with the idea of CBL will more likely overeat.
Ah back to this topic again. You can do CBL if you are above 15%, it's just that you won't get any better results (even as far as muscle is concerned unless you are really advanced) than if you did Carb Nite. The problem is that CBL is even more delicate at the higher bodyfat percentages due to less insulin sensitivity.SO CNS will get you there faster, with identical results, and the chances of success are much higher. Hence the reccomendation for CNS at the higher boyfat percentages.
Yeah... sorry! I was just wanting to see what everyone thought about this. It just piques my interest how there can be different views from different insiders. Right now, I am doing C.B.L. with what I would guess to be about 20 % body-fat. I get different readings from various places. Calipers, hand held devices and so on... But, I have a very similar story to that of Mark Bell. Well the background is the same, not the strength. So, I am always looking for different observations and experiences. And, make no mistake, I am not putting down CBL but more of an inquiry to those different experiences. I am going to continue to do C.B.L. until the end of the year as I have planned and run the 2 diets until I can stay on C.B.L. full time.
You do have to remember that Mark Bell is not an expert on the diet and I wonder how much knowledge about it he really has. However, if you want to do CBL I would say do it. I know for a fact I could not be on Carb Nite for year. I would go insane.
Ah back to this topic again. You can do CBL if you are above 15%, it's just that you won't get any better results (even as far as muscle is concerned unless you are really advanced) than if you did Carb Nite. The problem is that CBL is even more delicate at the higher bodyfat percentages due to less insulin sensitivity.SO CNS will get you there faster, with identical results, and the chances of success are much higher. Hence the reccomendation for CNS at the higher boyfat percentages.
Yeah... sorry! I was just wanting to see what everyone thought about this. It just piques my interest how there can be different views from different insiders. Right now, I am doing C.B.L. with what I would guess to be about 20 % body-fat. I get different readings from various places. Calipers, hand held devices and so on... But, I have a very similar story to that of Mark Bell. Well the background is the same, not the strength. So, I am always looking for different observations and experiences. And, make no mistake, I am not putting down CBL but more of an inquiry to those different experiences. I am going to continue to do C.B.L. until the end of the year as I have planned and run the 2 diets until I can stay on C.B.L. full time.
You do have to remember that Mark Bell is not an expert on the diet and I wonder how much knowledge about it he really has. However, if you want to do CBL I would say do it. I know for a fact I could not be on Carb Nite for year. I would go insane.
Yeah, I know, maybe I get this way because Mark Bell and I have a lot of similarities in our background. And, when you, in general, are having some frustrations, it is easier to get indecisive and confused.I have been doing C.B.L. since the beginning of September, and I like it. I have to really learn how to tweak it more and that is going to take some time. But, that can also be the fun part as well. My gains there have been mainly strength and I see some muscle definition, especially in my shoulders and arms. I have a bit of a gut, as that is where I hold most of my fat, it seems. I would typically dismiss comments and/or videos but, it was Mark Bell. And, it kind of freaked me out as I would consider him a bit of an insider. Anyhow, I didn't mean to troll but I wanted to bring attention to this.
You can honestly say that if you are higher BF% you will get the same results doing CNS and CBL? How is that? The only difference in CNS will do it faster? So why would CBL even be an option for heavy people. Idk what % im at but im 5″10 or 5″11 and about 278
I don't think CBL is a great option in that case. Depends on your goals. You would need a lot of control with CBL.
Really, I think his main point was that if you're a fat guy, get your diet and nutrition in check before you start trying to find excuses to justify the way you live your life. Clean up your eating habits first and let that take you as far as it can go and THEN you can start looking into optmizing your performance through diet/nutrition (I.e. CNS and CBL).
This is the point I got from this. If you are well over 20% bodyfat, you need to get your eating habits under control. CBL becomes an easy way for you to justify some of the things you eat rather than a means to optimize performance and results... which leads to eating more than you should, not looking at results, possibly eating carbs whenever you feel like, etc.
as others have suggested, it's one thing if you've come down to say 20% bf from 30% using CNS – you have an understanding of what is required, so there is no reason CBL wouldn't work. As opposed to someone just starting their path to fitness with a high level of bf – they're likely to make mistakes in the diet.The other problem i see with CBL for high bf individuals - it can be a mind f@3ck if you're likely gaining muscle, certainly for newbie trainees - so overall weight ends up staying unchanged.
You can honestly say that if you are higher BF% you will get the same results doing CNS and CBL? How is that? The only difference in CNS will do it faster? So why would CBL even be an option for heavy people. Idk what % im at but im 5"10 or 5"11 and about 278
If you are 5'10 and 278 CBL Is not an option. I'm 5'10 and i'm 190 and I'm considering switching back to low-carb/CNS.People say bodfat % is what matters.I think the truth of the matter is that LBM matters. LBM is related to body fat %.If you eat a ton of carbs and you have no muscles to "soak them up", it all goes to fat stores. The whole idea of CBL is to feed your muscles the carbs you are taking up. If you have no muscles to feed you just create more fat.Muscular people tender to be leaner in general... and this is no coincidence.I would stick to CNS.
You can honestly say that if you are higher BF% you will get the same results doing CNS and CBL? How is that? The only difference in CNS will do it faster? So why would CBL even be an option for heavy people. Idk what % im at but im 5"10 or 5"11 and about 278
If you are 5'10 and 278 CBL Is not an option. I'm 5'10 and i'm 190 and I'm considering switching back to low-carb/CNS.People say bodfat % is what matters.I think the truth of the matter is that LBM matters. LBM is related to body fat %.If you eat a ton of carbs and you have no muscles to "soak them up", it all goes to fat stores. The whole idea of CBL is to feed your muscles the carbs you are taking up. If you have no muscles to feed you just create more fat.Muscular people tender to be leaner in general... and this is no coincidence.I would stick to CNS.
what BF are you?
I think CBL'ing could work if you understand the system, but it would likely take longer. And there's a lot of merit in the “discomfort” Mark was talking about. I think everyone should experience this at some point in terms of diet/eating, even if they're super ripped and results are naturally easy. Actually, I'd say especially if it's naturally easy. Embracing the discomfort gives you the knowledge and means to progress after stalling or hitting a plateau. To me, it's like that extra rep on a max rep squat or deadlift – everything screams “no,” but you just do it anyway. “Discomfort” tests your mettle and fortitude. Chris
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