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So from the new articles on IF and not fastign too long. How long is everyone going without food from the overnight fast and how long are you spacing your meals?A second question (didnt want to make two threads) How long should the backload be? If I am getting in 600-700g of carbs that is not exactly easy to pack into 1-2 hours PWO. I have yet to see man reportso of people with carbs this high. I Normally eat for about about 4 hours PWO carbs the whole time.Also should we be trying to minimize extra fat? The only time i seem to gain much fat is if I have fat during my backload? NOt sure how others backload a lot of carbs but also a lot of fat (ie pizza/ice cream/packaged foods ect) Love to here some thoughts on that.
So from the new articles on IF and not fastign too long. How long is everyone going without food from the overnight fa d how long are you spacing your meals?A second question (didnt want to make two threads) How long should the backload be? If I am getting in 600-700g of carbs that is not exactly easy to pack into 1-2 hours PWO. I have yet to see man reportso of people with carbs this high. I Normally eat for about about 4 hours PWO carbs the whole time.Also should we be trying to minimize extra fat? The only time i seem to gain much fat is if I have fat during my backload? NOt sure how others backload a lot of carbs but also a lot of fat (ie pizza/ice cream/packaged foods ect) Love to here some thoughts on that.
I'm no expert here, but i would suggest NOW FOODS DEXTROSE POWDER. I can easily have about 200g in a PWO shake along with a meal, plus you get extra fluids to lessen cramping due to all the carbs . ,my first question for you though is what kind of schedule are u on cramming 700g carbohydrates in just 1-2 hours or 1 meal? if i did that i would probably blow my o-ring out during a bowel movement! U should spread over 6hrs if u can... That's why you won't see too many posts of ppl doing that. Fat: it blunts insulin.spike. Its not that you CANT have fat at night but it is more optimal to lessen it. I believe you wont have to worry about it as long as fat and protein is 50/50. if someone else would like to chime in in-case that information is not correct. The point is to spike insulin drammatically so lessing that response isnt ideal. i eat some fat too in my backload... Its tough to avoid lolCheers
What do you mean what kind of schedule? I prefer to eat my carbs over 4hrs post workout. And i do not like to drink my carbs. I dont have problems eating that many carbs but i would if they were supposed to be in a very short time frame. In the book on the sample meals plans there are normally only 2 meals carb meal but no time period given to eat these meals.I agree with the fat an insulin but then how does pizza and ice cream make a good backloading food. Or toaster struddles or cherry pies (isnt this one of kiefers favs) Seems like those are fairly fat laden foods even though they have lots of carbs. Then you have some pro in there too and you have a slow digesting meal.I have always looked for answers to this and never found them
What do you mean what kind of schedule? I prefer to eat my carbs over 4hrs post workout. And i do not like to drink my carbs. I dont have problems eating that many carbs but i would if they were supposed to be in a very short time frame. In the book on the sample meals plans there are normally only 2 meals carb meal but no time period given to eat these meals.I agree with the fat an insulin but then how does pizza and ice cream make a good backloading food. Or toaster struddles or cherry pies (isnt this one of kiefers favs) Seems like those are fairly fat laden foods even though they have lots of carbs. Then you have some pro in there too and you have a slow digesting meal.I have always looked for answers to this and never found them
schedule: do you have 6 hours to eat carbs or are you purposely eating 700g in just one sitting? i didn't understand your O.P.time frame - there are several interviews with keifer where he says to eat carbs throughout the night, until your in the fetal position. which often means slamming carbs until you tuck yourself into bed - keep in mind, there are charts in the book that give you a better idea of your carb threshold based on your stats. you will have to listen to your body's feedback and make adjustments as needed. Regular publix brand ice cream has about 2g fat / 15g carbs per serving... and that's pretty low fat i think.Pizza - definitely high in fat and carbs.. but i think it's easier to eat a lot of it so it can be a good tool. i personally avoid it (as well as pasta) because of the gluten. Turnovers are heaven-sent and def a good choice.this is just what i've gathered... anyone else chime in if im mistaken 😀
4hrs is fine, there is no set time frame but being realistic, if you want to get a good sleep then 4-5hrs after training is plenty of time for getting your carbs.I generally aim for 3-4hrs tops.
Sorry my posts and writing tends to ramble. I have about 4 to mabye 5 hours to eat my food at night. I do not put it in one meal lol. I like to spread it outThanks for the other thoughts on the length of time and food. Pizza never made sense. I do low fat ice cream. Some of the other stuff like turnovers just seemed too high in fat. Still looking to hear some solid advice on those types of things.Right now i am trying to put on as much mass as possible before medical school. But that doesnt mean i want a ton of fat either. Plus i always trying to optimize things. Some call it overthinking. Its just what i do.So if any other have thoughts or could direct me to comments keifer has made about the carb sources that seem to be fattier and carbier that he advocates i would appreciate it (Ie turnovers/pizza ect) I would love to hear it from the man why these options still work or if you get better results from lower fat higher carb things which is what i have been looking for
Sorry my posts and writing tends to ramble. I have about 4 to mabye 5 hours to eat my food at night. I do not put it in one meal lol. I like to spread it outThanks for the other thoughts on the length of time and food. Pizza never made sense. I do low fat ice cream. Some of the other stuff like turnovers just seemed too high in fat. Still looking to hear some solid advice on those types of things.Right now i am trying to put on as much mass as possible before medical school. But that doesnt mean i want a ton of fat either. Plus i always trying to optimize things. Some call it overthinking. Its just what i do.So if any other have thoughts or could direct me to comments keifer has made about the carb sources that seem to be fattier and carbier that he advocates i would appreciate it (Ie turnovers/pizza ect) I would love to hear it from the man why these options still work or if you get better results from lower fat higher carb things which is what i have been looking for
CBL is designed to gain muscle with fat loss/maintenance, depending on which protocol you follow. Make sure your resistance training program is on-point. Fat can blunt an insulin response. that right there should tell you that TOO MUCH (which is a pretty large amount) fat is going to be less optimal. It is "less-optimal" to have HIGH FAT/HIGH CARBS Vs LOW FAT/HIGH CARBS. I never mention protein because that should always be included generously at some point(s). Protein also gives you an insulin response, so between carbs/protein your insulin should skyrocket, which is the goal.you have the right idea with the ice cream. just make better decisions when choosing foods. Remember CBL allows us to eat junk as a tool to accomplish the above, but don't let that be an excuse to Binge. not that you can't have pizza, just don't make it your source of carbs lolrefer to your book when you have questions, and if you get stumped then search the forum. CBL isn't designed to be extremely complicated (with no disrespect to the extensive research done to make it possible). chances are most things have already been asked/answered. Cheers!
Lol i dont eat those foods. I was just asking becaus they were mentioned in the book as good choices for backloading which made no sense to me.
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