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So I was just randomly thinking about this, but for people who are doing CBL, specifically those maybe not seeing the desired results….Are you ingesting alot of milk?I just bring this up cause I was thinking about milk, it suppose to be insulintrophic, meaning it tends to make insulin stay around for long time relative to other food sources. I could see, if one was ingesting a few cups in their backloads, how this could inhibit the desired quick rise and fall of insulin, and thereby inhibit desired resultsAs a side note, I believe milk is also relatively low glycemic as well. I think even skim is somewhere in the 40's on the GI scale. not sure though so dont quote me on that one.
So I was just randomly thinking about this, but for people who are doing CBL, specifically those maybe not seeing the desired results....Are you ingesting alot of milk?I just bring this up cause I was thinking about milk, it suppose to be insulintrophic, meaning it tends to make insulin stay around for long time relative to other food sources. I could see, if one was ingesting a few cups in their backloads, how this could inhibit the desired quick rise and fall of insulin, and thereby inhibit desired resultsAs a side note, I believe milk is also relatively low glycemic as well. I think even skim is somewhere in the 40's on the GI scale. not sure though so dont quote me on that one.
I would say if you tolerate milk well, mixing your pwo with skim milk or having some milk with your first CBL meal should not be a problem.
So I was just randomly thinking about this, but for people who are doing CBL, specifically those maybe not seeing the desired results....Are you ingesting alot of milk?I just bring this up cause I was thinking about milk, it suppose to be insulintrophic, meaning it tends to make insulin stay around for long time relative to other food sources. I could see, if one was ingesting a few cups in their backloads, how this could inhibit the desired quick rise and fall of insulin, and thereby inhibit desired resultsAs a side note, I believe milk is also relatively low glycemic as well. I think even skim is somewhere in the 40's on the GI scale. not sure though so dont quote me on that one.
So, if this is true would have a shake at the end of your backload before bed mixed with whey, leucine and 1 cup skim milk cause negative results? By that I mean that the point of this shake is to spike insulin and pull those "lingering" carbs out of the blood stream before hitting the hay, so would milk hinder that insulin spike?
So I was just randomly thinking about this, but for people who are doing CBL, specifically those maybe not seeing the desired results....Are you ingesting alot of milk?I just bring this up cause I was thinking about milk, it suppose to be insulintrophic, meaning it tends to make insulin stay around for long time relative to other food sources. I could see, if one was ingesting a few cups in their backloads, how this could inhibit the desired quick rise and fall of insulin, and thereby inhibit desired resultsAs a side note, I believe milk is also relatively low glycemic as well. I think even skim is somewhere in the 40's on the GI scale. not sure though so dont quote me on that one.
So, if this is true would have a shake at the end of your backload before bed mixed with whey, leucine and 1 cup skim milk cause negative results? By that I mean that the point of this shake is to spike insulin and pull those "lingering" carbs out of the blood stream before hitting the hay, so would milk hinder that insulin spike?
Not sure if it hinders it, but the "fact" that it causes insulin to linger around would suggest to me its not optimal. I personally dont drink it too much, cause when I dieted down the first time I dropped it out of my diet for a few months, after that a half cup will cause me to clear out a room full of people in no time....if you get what im saying lolI just presenting the idea, thought maybe if someones struggling to get their results, this could possibly be something to assess.
Cant remember if this was the article I read it on, but its by Poliquin. Ill try to find some peer reviewed stuff.http://www.charlespoliquin.com/Blog/tabid/130/EntryId/953/Tip-281-Increase-Fat-Burning-During-Exercise-with-Strategic-Nutrition-to-Get-Lean.aspx
This is from Pub medhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21335995
I have noticed “extra” bloating when I use milk in my shakes and add cheese to my ULC meals. I feel alot less bloated when I use water and cut the cheese ;D so whatever the data says I think that everyone should try a few days of no dairy and see if you notice any difference. This protocol doesn't specifically call for milk so it can't hurt to cut it out for experimental purposes.RB
I have noticed "extra" bloating when I use milk in my shakes and add cheese to my ULC meals. I feel alot less bloated when I use water and cut the cheese ;D so whatever the data says I think that everyone should try a few days of no dairy and see if you notice any difference. This protocol doesn't specifically call for milk so it can't hurt to cut it out for experimental purposes.RB
Ive noticed the same, but to be fair it may have been other things.
I have noticed "extra" bloating when I use milk in my shakes and add cheese to my ULC meals. I feel alot less bloated when I use water and cut the cheese ;D so whatever the data says I think that everyone should try a few days of no dairy and see if you notice any difference. This protocol doesn't specifically call for milk so it can't hurt to cut it out for experimental purposes.RB
+1 yep pretty much what everyone should do if bloat is a problem, experiment with it. I can't drink regular dairy/milk but drinking too much coconut milk tends to do it for me and too much goat cheese consecutive days in a row do the same as well.
I have noticed "extra" bloating when I use milk in my shakes and add cheese to my ULC meals. I feel alot less bloated when I use water and cut the cheese ;D so whatever the data says I think that everyone should try a few days of no dairy and see if you notice any difference. This protocol doesn't specifically call for milk so it can't hurt to cut it out for experimental purposes.RB
+1 yep pretty much what everyone should do if bloat is a problem, experiment with it. I can't drink regular dairy/milk but drinking too much coconut milk tends to do it for me and too much goat cheese consecutive days in a row do the same as well.
+2, hence why when people doing a "bulk" and do a gallon of milk a day it leaves them looking pregnant rather then jacked
This is from Pub medhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21335995
insulinotropic does not mean a prolonged insulin release, if that's what you're suggesting milk does. Milk is largely the same as whey and leucine in terms of a sharp, quick spike in insulin. This is why CBL recommends PWO casein, whey and leucine. Milk has a bunch of casein/leucine so it'd be great for PWO in my opinion.Nothing to worry about unless you can't properly digest the lactose/casein. I've never had an issue with bloating, gas, losing fat etc. whilst drinking milk. Poliquin is kinda full of shit when he says Milk will cause persistently high insulin. Maybe if you're fat/insulin resistant?
This is from Pub medhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21335995
insulinotropic does not mean a prolonged insulin release, if that's what you're suggesting milk does. Milk is largely the same as whey and leucine in terms of a sharp, quick spike in insulin. This is why CBL recommends PWO casein, whey and leucine. Milk has a bunch of casein/leucine so it'd be great for PWO in my opinion.Nothing to worry about unless you can't properly digest the lactose/casein. I've never had an issue with bloating, gas, losing fat etc. whilst drinking milk. Poliquin is kinda full of shit when he says Milk will cause persistently high insulin. Maybe if you're fat/insulin resistant?
ter thingnot trying to sound smug (kinda hard thru the whole computer thing), but where r u basing your knowledge off of?
@mwachtel what specifically?I think perhaps you were just mistaken about the definition of Insulinotropic (stimulating insulin). Potatoes are Insulinotropic, whey, leucine, milk... all insulinotropic. Adding fat and fiber will cause a prolonged insulin release (larger Area Under the Curve), which is why one generally avoids fiber and fat on Backloads.
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