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Someone today on another forum posted that Kiefer now recommends morning training and says late-night training is the worst (totally the opposite of the book). They said it was in a recent podcast. I have a hard time believing this? Yes? No?
Kiefer did say just that in the webinar podcast. Late night training is what comes after the perfect scenario training (3-6pm).
Jesus Christ this is getting ridiculous. Morning Training isn't the best, it's not the first recommendation. 6pm is still the "Ideal) time. But Ideal is actually more based off when you go to sleep.If by the time you finish training it's 9pm, you wait till 10pm for PWOshake, then you go to bed by 10:30-11 then that is a terrible time.However if you don't sleep till 12-1am, you have Plenty of time to get your carbs in.The best time to train is late enough to still have the 1 hour wait PWO and then eat all the carbs you need without effecting your sleep schedule.
Someone today on another forum posted that Kiefer now recommends morning training and says late-night training is the worst (totally the opposite of the book). They said it was in a recent podcast. I have a hard time believing this? Yes? No?
Oh...the "late" part. If y'all listened to the podcast and seen the webinar then ALL the INFO is THERE.
Thank you! I KNEW this was incorrect. I've studied all of this stuff for YEARS and cycled CNS and CBL during that time. I just wanted that confirmation from you experts. 🙂
Someone today on another forum posted that Kiefer now recommends morning training and says late-night training is the worst (totally the opposite of the book). They said it was in a recent podcast. I have a hard time believing this? Yes? No?
Oh...the "late" part. If y'all listened to the podcast and seen the webinar then ALL the INFO is THERE.
None of these newbs read or listen to shit.....They'd rather be hand fed by the guys in blue. lol
Jesus Christ this is getting ridiculous.
The question is not that ridiculous.He speaks about it herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeFjNC2oaSAAt about 49:15 he begins speaking on workout timing,and says once again that late afternoon is king,and says morning is second.Somewhere in there he begins to speak about late night,and gets interrupted before completing his thought.It would seem that the idea is train on a low blood glucose level,and with late night training training,being that you have to begin eating sometime before training to get your protein and carbs in,for the day,it is tough to get the blood glucose level down again in time before training.That seems to have led to this
What is curious is that the post training backload has been eliminated.Because of the late night training. Listening to webinar not the interview will explain the times. Meaning past 9/10pm, and then getting to bed. If you can train that late, get all your carbs PWO, then sleep with no problems then okay, but personally I'd follow this because stuffing myself within 30 minutes never worked out for me.
Because of the late night training. Listening to webinar not the interview will explain the times. Meaning past 9/10pm, and then getting to bed. If you can train that late, get all your carbs PWO, then sleep with no problems then okay, but personally I'd follow this because stuffing myself within 30 minutes never worked out for me.
Even in his CBL publication,he recommends the mixed meals,starting at dinner time, for late night trainers.So the carb deal is not so completely different.What IS different now,is the new PWO protocol.That hour wait kills whatever hope there was to get meals in after training.Plus the wait after the carb shock.I think it is this change that has really thrown a wrench into late night training,and pushed morning training up the totem pole.However,I'm starting to sense a tone in some of the stuff he is putting out,that he may be looking at ways to reduce the need for carbs further than first intended,for all the negative effects that carbs create on a celular level.It looks like Carb Shock has the added benefit of that.
It depends on the amount of carbs needed, but the point of the matter is spiking insulin PWO. Thus why the push for using CS and the webinar as well as a couple podcasts talk about waiting an hour.
Jesus Christ this is getting ridiculous. Morning Training isn't the best, it's not the first recommendation. 6pm is still the "Ideal) time. But Ideal is actually more based off when you go to sleep.If by the time you finish training it's 9pm, you wait till 10pm for PWOshake, then you go to bed by 10:30-11 then that is a terrible time.However if you don't sleep till 12-1am, you have Plenty of time to get your carbs in.The best time to train is late enough to still have the 1 hour wait PWO and then eat all the carbs you need without effecting your sleep schedule.
Spot on Trevor.It is true that he used to say late night training was the second best and now he recommends morning training over it. However, many people do not understand what Kiefer means by late night training. Late night training IS NOT training after 6 PM. Actually the absolute time is irrelevant. What is relevant is how much time you have to backload PWO. If you have enough time to backload and take Carb Shock PWO, this is not "Late Night Training", this is ideal training. Late night training is when you only have time to take Carb Shock and nothing else before bed.Because no one takes the time to understand CBL and doesn't think about the context of anything Kiefer says in podcasts, people screw this up majorly.
Because no one takes the time to understand CBL and doesn't think about the context of anything Kiefer says in podcasts, people screw this up majorly.
Yep.People tend to take everything he says as Black and White Gospel.
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