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January 2, 2013 at 4:38 pm #129648
samuel r walkerParticipantI use lean grainfed, drain what I can and replace the fat with grass fed butter
January 2, 2013 at 4:40 pm #129649
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorYou can get a big order of grass fed meat off the Internet and freeze it. It's all about your priorities. If you want it, you'll find a way.
You can, but there are a two possibilities that my prevent that:1. The OP may not be able to store that amount of beef (if he is living in a dorm this will be a big concern).2. The OP may not have the money at a given to time to pay for that.There comes a certain point where it is more trouble than it's worth. Really, grain fed beef is still an excellent protein source (fat source not so much) and many people have built excellent physiques and got really strong by just eating foods in supermarkets. I think it would be better for some people to eat cheaper foods and not have to stress about their grocery bill.
I agree with this. I have a co-worker that's about to start eating paleo and she was worried not being able to get GF meat would destroy her chance of success.In the situation that you can't get GF meats then just buy the leanest stuff and the store and since most grocery stores carry grass-fed butter these days you can use the GF butter for your fat source. Problem solved.
January 2, 2013 at 4:45 pm #129650
Cory McCarthyMemberYou can get a big order of grass fed meat off the Internet and freeze it. It's all about your priorities. If you want it, you'll find a way.
You can, but there are a two possibilities that my prevent that:1. The OP may not be able to store that amount of beef (if he is living in a dorm this will be a big concern).2. The OP may not have the money at a given to time to pay for that.There comes a certain point where it is more trouble than it's worth. Really, grain fed beef is still an excellent protein source (fat source not so much) and many people have built excellent physiques and got really strong by just eating foods in supermarkets. I think it would be better for some people to eat cheaper foods and not have to stress about their grocery bill.
To 1. above... this is true. I was lucky by Sophomore year in college, to have a quite a large freezer and fridge space (bigger dorm apartment). My Freshman year it was shit, I had a 1/2-size fridge, no kitchen, and hardly any freezer space.To 2. above... this is where I mentioned sacrifice. I had shit for $$$ in college, but I held a campus job. My parents didn't give me shit either, I was expected to take care of myself 100% once I left home. I did have student loans, grants and a scholarship, though. I put my $$$, beyond what I needed for college necessities, into my goals / passions of the time. While I was broke, making $6/hr. on campus (best job on campus, too), and my savings dwindled by 2nd semester ea. year (despite replenishing over the summer w/ summer jobs), I still managed. I was in LOTS of bands at the time... and beyond college needs, I still afforded a new Gibson Les Paul (~$2,000 after customizations), effect pedals, amplifiers, upkeep costs, travel costs, etc. Yep, I squeeked by, but I had to make sacrifices... i.e., no real standard social life beyond what my music provided or what cheap conversation / outings would provide... but, that meant no restaurants, I didn't drink (so that was easy), and hardly any movies, live shows, etc. For me, it was school, work and music primarily.Like I said, if you want something bad enough, you WILL make it happen (at the expense of what you don't want / need as much). Never said it'd be easy. LOL.CoryEDIT: Thought I should add... I am a preparer, a planner. I had already been stocking savings since the age of 16, for college. Every job I worked from 16 onward, I would put 50% of ea. paycheck into college fund (savings), and the other 50% was for me to free-spend on what I wanted at the time.Even still, everything I mentioned above.
January 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm #129651
mwachtelParticipantYea, not drinking/partying saves lots of money (and your liver).
January 2, 2013 at 5:02 pm #129652
Brandon D ChristParticipantYou can get a big order of grass fed meat off the Internet and freeze it. It's all about your priorities. If you want it, you'll find a way.
You can, but there are a two possibilities that my prevent that:1. The OP may not be able to store that amount of beef (if he is living in a dorm this will be a big concern).2. The OP may not have the money at a given to time to pay for that.There comes a certain point where it is more trouble than it's worth. Really, grain fed beef is still an excellent protein source (fat source not so much) and many people have built excellent physiques and got really strong by just eating foods in supermarkets. I think it would be better for some people to eat cheaper foods and not have to stress about their grocery bill.
To 1. above... this is true. I was lucky by Sophomore year in college, to have a quite a large freezer and fridge space (bigger dorm apartment). My Freshman year it was shit, I had a 1/2-size fridge, no kitchen, and hardly any freezer space.To 2. above... this is where I mentioned sacrifice. I had shit for $$$ in college, but I held a campus job. My parents didn't give me shit either, I was expected to take care of myself 100% once I left home. I did have student loans, grants and a scholarship, though. I put my $$$, beyond what I needed for college necessities, into my goals / passions of the time. While I was broke, making $6/hr. on campus (best job on campus, too), and my savings dwindled by 2nd semester ea. year (despite replenishing over the summer w/ summer jobs), I still managed. I was in LOTS of bands at the time... and beyond college needs, I still afforded a new Gibson Les Paul (~$2,000 after customizations), effect pedals, amplifiers, upkeep costs, travel costs, etc. Yep, I squeeked by, but I had to make sacrifices... i.e., no real standard social life beyond what my music provided or what cheap conversation / outings would provide... but, that meant no restaurants, I didn't drink (so that was easy), and hardly any movies, live shows, etc. For me, it was school, work and music primarily.Like I said, if you want something bad enough, you WILL make it happen (at the expense of what you don't want / need as much). Never said it'd be easy. LOL.CoryEDIT: Thought I should add... I am a preparer, a planner. I had already been stocking savings since the age of 16, for college. Every job I worked from 16 onward, I would put 50% of ea. paycheck into college fund (savings), and the other 50% was for me to free-spend on what I wanted at the time.Even still, everything I mentioned above.
I agree with you it's possible, but it is up to each person how much they want to sacrifice. I don't want the OP to think it's an all or nothing type of deal. For instance, why don't some of these hardcore paleo nuts buy a farm and raise their own animals so they have complete control over how they are raised. Why don't they hunt? Because the amount of work it would take just isn't worth the benefit. There comes a certain point for everyone where enough is enough.
January 2, 2013 at 5:22 pm #129653
Cory McCarthyMemberYou can get a big order of grass fed meat off the Internet and freeze it. It's all about your priorities. If you want it, you'll find a way.
You can, but there are a two possibilities that my prevent that:1. The OP may not be able to store that amount of beef (if he is living in a dorm this will be a big concern).2. The OP may not have the money at a given to time to pay for that.There comes a certain point where it is more trouble than it's worth. Really, grain fed beef is still an excellent protein source (fat source not so much) and many people have built excellent physiques and got really strong by just eating foods in supermarkets. I think it would be better for some people to eat cheaper foods and not have to stress about their grocery bill.
To 1. above... this is true. I was lucky by Sophomore year in college, to have a quite a large freezer and fridge space (bigger dorm apartment). My Freshman year it was shit, I had a 1/2-size fridge, no kitchen, and hardly any freezer space.To 2. above... this is where I mentioned sacrifice. I had shit for $$$ in college, but I held a campus job. My parents didn't give me shit either, I was expected to take care of myself 100% once I left home. I did have student loans, grants and a scholarship, though. I put my $$$, beyond what I needed for college necessities, into my goals / passions of the time. While I was broke, making $6/hr. on campus (best job on campus, too), and my savings dwindled by 2nd semester ea. year (despite replenishing over the summer w/ summer jobs), I still managed. I was in LOTS of bands at the time... and beyond college needs, I still afforded a new Gibson Les Paul (~$2,000 after customizations), effect pedals, amplifiers, upkeep costs, travel costs, etc. Yep, I squeeked by, but I had to make sacrifices... i.e., no real standard social life beyond what my music provided or what cheap conversation / outings would provide... but, that meant no restaurants, I didn't drink (so that was easy), and hardly any movies, live shows, etc. For me, it was school, work and music primarily.Like I said, if you want something bad enough, you WILL make it happen (at the expense of what you don't want / need as much). Never said it'd be easy. LOL.CoryEDIT: Thought I should add... I am a preparer, a planner. I had already been stocking savings since the age of 16, for college. Every job I worked from 16 onward, I would put 50% of ea. paycheck into college fund (savings), and the other 50% was for me to free-spend on what I wanted at the time.Even still, everything I mentioned above.
I agree with you it's possible, but it is up to each person how much they want to sacrifice. I don't want the OP to think it's an all or nothing type of deal. For instance, why don't some of these hardcore paleo nuts buy a farm and raise their own animals so they have complete control over how they are raised. Why don't they hunt? Because the amount of work it would take just isn't worth the benefit. There comes a certain point for everyone where enough is enough.
Yep, it is a matter of how far you're willing to go. That is life... you get what you give. Again, never said it'd be easy, and it depends on what is worth it to you. Sacrifice is almost ALWAYS a necessity.To me, being the BEST is worth it. I'd rather have dick for a social life, but be unbelievably successful and fulfilled in my goals. That is what is important to me. Then again, people think I am a cyborg, so fits the profile.I want to be the best martial artist.I want to be the best musician.I want to be the best natural bodybuilder / physique model that my genetics allow for.To me, that is far more important than how many friends I have, how much I've partied, who I've dated, how many meaningless one night stands I've had, whether I'm in a relationship or not, whether I have the typical American dream or not. For me, it is all or nothing.I realize that is an individual thing. That is where the OP needs to make a tough, personal decision.Cory
January 2, 2013 at 7:42 pm #129654
Big_RParticipantI am going to college next year, but also have to convince my parents this year to pay the extra money for a lot of steak, ground beef, and bacon. What is the most efficient way to eat and achieve 180-200g protein a day while spending minimal cash?
I get ground sirloin at publix/winn dixie - each pound has about 92g protein 44g fat... about 4 pound packages runs me between 15-18 dollars usually. Hard to beat that i think - Also tilapia is usually on sale for about 8-9 dollars for 2 Lbs - that's about 16-20 fillets each with 23g protein but almost no fat.
January 3, 2013 at 12:24 am #129655
Ulam25MemberIt is a tough decision. I am not at college yet, but will be attending University of Pittsburgh next year. I am just planning ahead as the first year will rely on meal plans while the second, third, and forth years I will be in an apartment and living off of summer internships/jobs.I am willing to sacrifice partying for my physique for sure. If anything I would go out to drink one night every two weeks as I am in no quest to achieve sub-10% BF. I just want to stay lean and healthy in college unlike my siblings who gained a ton of weight(40+ pounds... big eaters in my family).For now, I will go to Sam's Club for my meat. But next year I may have to be stealing some burgers and steak from the cafeteria:P
January 3, 2013 at 12:29 am #129656
Brandon D ChristParticipantIt is a tough decision. I am not at college yet, but will be attending University of Pittsburgh next year. I am just planning ahead as the first year will rely on meal plans while the second, third, and forth years I will be in an apartment and living off of summer internships/jobs.I am willing to sacrifice partying for my physique for sure. If anything I would go out to drink one night every two weeks as I am in no quest to achieve sub-10% BF. I just want to stay lean and healthy in college unlike my siblings who gained a ton of weight(40+ pounds... big eaters in my family).For now, I will go to Sam's Club for my meat. But next year I may have to be stealing some burgers and steak from the cafeteria:P
Oh well damn, I am a 20 minute drive from Oakland, let me know if you need to know anything more specific to our area.
January 3, 2013 at 2:55 am #129657
Ulam25MemberReally? I am also roughly 20 minutes away. I live in South Hills. Small world eh?
January 3, 2013 at 4:23 am #129658
tzanghiParticipantYou can get a big order of grass fed meat off the Internet and freeze it. It's all about your priorities. If you want it, you'll find a way.
You can, but there are a two possibilities that my prevent that:1. The OP may not be able to store that amount of beef (if he is living in a dorm this will be a big concern).2. The OP may not have the money at a given to time to pay for that.There comes a certain point where it is more trouble than it's worth. Really, grain fed beef is still an excellent protein source (fat source not so much) and many people have built excellent physiques and got really strong by just eating foods in supermarkets. I think it would be better for some people to eat cheaper foods and not have to stress about their grocery bill.
I agree with Ibob. Having done 4 years of college away at school, grass-fed beef was simply not an option. It's too expensive and sparse in the U.S., and freezer space is scarce if existent. 75% of people at my school didn't have access to a stove or oven freshman year. I'd say stick to whatever meat you can get, load up on eggs, and get grass-fed if the opportunity presents itself.
January 3, 2013 at 5:02 am #129659
GonnaBeGiantMemberSo what makes the fats different from grass fed and grain fed? I literally can not get grass fed beef where I live, so should I opt for chicken and fish fried in butter or coconut oil? Do eggs matter as well?
January 3, 2013 at 10:01 am #129660
FairyGuestIf you really cannot get it, just source the best meat you can. Surely there are farmers markets? Surely you can look online?I'm in the UK, I buy mine from EversfieldOrganics online. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/Yes, the fat profile of all animal sourced fats including eggs and milk is important.
January 3, 2013 at 2:41 pm #129661
Brandon D ChristParticipantSo what makes the fats different from grass fed and grain fed? I literally can not get grass fed beef where I live, so should I opt for chicken and fish fried in butter or coconut oil? Do eggs matter as well?
The main difference is the Omega6:Omega 3 ratio. Grain Fed beef's is much higher, which is bad. Grass fed beef is also much higher in CLA, which explains why the fat tends to be more yellow (when you control for cow breed).Grass fed beef is also higher in trace vitamins and minerals.
January 3, 2013 at 2:44 pm #129662
Brandon D ChristParticipantYou can get a big order of grass fed meat off the Internet and freeze it. It's all about your priorities. If you want it, you'll find a way.
You can, but there are a two possibilities that my prevent that:1. The OP may not be able to store that amount of beef (if he is living in a dorm this will be a big concern).2. The OP may not have the money at a given to time to pay for that.There comes a certain point where it is more trouble than it's worth. Really, grain fed beef is still an excellent protein source (fat source not so much) and many people have built excellent physiques and got really strong by just eating foods in supermarkets. I think it would be better for some people to eat cheaper foods and not have to stress about their grocery bill.
I agree with Ibob. Having done 4 years of college away at school, grass-fed beef was simply not an option. It's too expensive and sparse in the U.S., and freezer space is scarce if existent. 75% of people at my school didn't have access to a stove or oven freshman year. I'd say stick to whatever meat you can get, load up on eggs, and get grass-fed if the opportunity presents itself.
Yea really. 90% of college students have a diet of mac and cheese and ramen, with the occasional pizza. When I lived in an apartment, my roomates, who didn't care about health or fitness, just made pasta every day. Cooking meat is very rare amongst college students, so if you are doing that you are already way ahead of the curve.
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