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I Usually work out monday , wed, and friday and have a carb nite saturday. Last week it worked out so i got out of the gym in time to have my carb nite after my workout. I noticed a few things different.I normally gain 8 pounds of water weight, this week i only gained 2 or 3 and they were gone by monday. Also, I never hit ketosis. Usually after my re feed I feel sluggish as my body switches back to ketones by tuesday or wednsday, i didnt feel that yet. i've eaten no different and nothing with any carbs. I'm likely only at 2 or 3 gm of carbs on any given day. Any idea? I still feel strong like i have carbs in my muscles even though i've done 2 heavy weight lifting days this week. NOrmally by now i can feel the keto kicking in.
CNS is not a ketogenic diet, and most folks who do this are not truly in ketosis. Which is not your goal, Kiefer even has address this a couple times. Goal is to control insulin and continue on being ULC up till your CN.
CNS is not a ketogenic diet, and most folks who do this are not truly in ketosis. Which is not your goal, Kiefer even has address this a couple times. Goal is to control insulin and continue on being ULC up till your CN.
The book certainly says it's ketogenic... ???CNS, page 23:"The low-carb diet—more properly, the ketogenic diet—is nothing new."CNS, page 24:"To avoid confusion, we need to identify a clear difference among these ketogenic diets and find a more useful phrase than ketogenic. Mainstream low-carb dieters restrict carbs to 50% or less of daily calories, hovering regularly near the top of the scale. Advocates don’t normally explain it this way, but it appears to be the common thread. Scientific research, however, describes a more specific range from 8% to 50% of calories from carbs. This is about 40 to 250 grams per day. Anything less than 8%—specifically, 30 grams or less—falls under the heading ultralow-carb. Since these are both ketogenic diets, this may seem like splitting hairs, but the difference between the two is the difference between success and failure."
CNS is not a ketogenic diet, and most folks who do this are not truly in ketosis. Which is not your goal, Kiefer even has address this a couple times. Goal is to control insulin and continue on being ULC up till your CN.
The book certainly says it's ketogenic... ???CNS, page 23:"The low-carb diet—more properly, the ketogenic diet—is nothing new."CNS, page 24:"To avoid confusion, we need to identify a clear difference among these ketogenic diets and find a more useful phrase than ketogenic. Mainstream low-carb dieters restrict carbs to 50% or less of daily calories, hovering regularly near the top of the scale. Advocates don’t normally explain it this way, but it appears to be the common thread. Scientific research, however, describes a more specific range from 8% to 50% of calories from carbs. This is about 40 to 250 grams per day. Anything less than 8%—specifically, 30 grams or less—falls under the heading ultralow-carb. Since these are both ketogenic diets, this may seem like splitting hairs, but the difference between the two is the difference between success and failure."
What you quoted actually seems to be simply talking about low carb diets, not Carb Nite. What I put in red is only 95% of the foundation behind Carb Nite. Carb Nite does not equal an ULC diet. It had ULC components, (like, most of it...) but that's not what it is. EDIT: After looking back through the book to the pages you specified, that is indeed the case. He wasn't talking about Carb Nite at the time, he was just going through the different diets and their pitfalls.
Hmmmm…. interesting. I'd think it would at least be considered a “modified” ULC diet, and Kiefer himself stated that ULC is the foundation.Page 38 (under "The Rules")"At the base of this program clearly lies the ultralow-carb diet."And here are some excerpts from BJJ Caveman's CNS book review:"What John Kiefer had to say about the ketogenic diet and how he found the best way to optimize it for fat loss was very interesting, so I took the plunge and picked up his book.""The reason this carb re-feed window doesn’t make you fat is because when the body is ketogenic, it actually stops production of the enzyme that converts carbohydrate to fat! So keeping the body in a ketogenic state for the entire week ensures that this enzyme is inactive when the re-feed window rolls around. It’s important to restart the ultra-low carb immediately the following day because the large dose of carbs will actually stimulate your body to up-regulate that carb-to-fat enzyme again, until ketogenesis is re-achieved."Perhaps one carb nite per week does keep CNS from being 100% ULC, or 100% ketogenic. But to categorically state it is neither... well, that doesn't seem 100% accurate either.
Perhaps you should listen to the podcasts and understand that Kiefer himself has mentioned the book being outdated with the new information he has put out and found now. I wouldn't being suggesting anything if I did not understand what the new is now and what was being mentioned.
My apologies. I wasnt trying to offend with the whole keto thing. I Just was commenting on how eating carbs after my workout changed the way my body felt all week. I guess it pushed more carbs into the muscles. I have to workout in the morning and be done by noon tomorrow. Then i work 3-11 pm so i sadly cant take advantage of this. Next week I can again though as I work a morning routine.
Perhaps you should listen to the podcasts and understand that Kiefer himself has mentioned the book being outdated with the new information he has put out and found now.
I'm on slow dialup, and it would take 6-8 hours to download an 80Mb interview. But Kiefer's definition of "ultra low carb" (< 30g daily) hasn't changed, and "ketogenic" isn't his word to define. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
I wouldn't being suggesting anything if I did not understand what the new is now and what was being mentioned.
Excellent suggestion.
@polarissucks01: My apologies for disrupting your thread.
My apologies. I wasnt trying to offend with the whole keto thing. I Just was commenting on how eating carbs after my workout changed the way my body felt all week. I guess it pushed more carbs into the muscles. I have to workout in the morning and be done by noon tomorrow. Then i work 3-11 pm so i sadly cant take advantage of this. Next week I can again though as I work a morning routine.
No, no need to apologize, people confuse CNS with a Ketogenic diet. CNS is a low carb diet, a keto diet is yes low carb but very high fats and low protein. That type of diet helps with folks who suffer from a medical problem that needs to help treat their condition, or those types of endurance athletes that know how to work well with a keto standpoint. You can get lean with CBL, and if you're training hard, then CBL might be a better choice for you. If you can lower some volume, then I suggest sticking with CNS.
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