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CBL was released in December 2011 with the selling point being that you could lose body fat and get ripped while slamming down huge amount of carbs from pizza, pastries, rice, etc during the evening hours and after training (depending on your schedule).My observations since joining the forums in May have been that many people have seen great results with CNS, but not too many with CBL.My guess is, why not? If you follow the basic plan: 1)Fast for a couple of hours while drinking black coffee with MCT or Coconut oil until your first meal2)ULC meal with 1:1 Fat/Protein ratio3) Resistance Training then PWO shake afterwards(Leucine, Creatine, hydrolysates,Carbs)4) Slam the carbs with some more protein(plus more leucine, creatine)If the plan is that simple, why are people not getting the results? Isn't that why we are all here in the first place, to get ripped while eating huge amount of the carbs?Maybe the plan isn't so simple and maybe it doesn't work without Kiefer there to coach you?Again, this my personal observation.
my opinion. In untrained noobs, this plan as you outlined will work great. They will recomp on pretty much any diet. But, when you get to people who are leaner and more advanced in training, I think the diet needs more tweaking and too many people are trying to rely on body feedback for a process that has a very fine line between being effective and being ineffective. In essence, to get truly great recomp effects, I think you need to track more, and not just follow a set of guide lines.
Yes, the book leaves some info to be desired – but for good reason. First, think of any five people you know…let me guess, they're not all the exact same leanness/size/etc? Can't really put a RX into a book and have it fit everyone. Second, would you write a book that has every bit of knowledge you possess…or would you build a business around it and give people a reason to come to you/look to purchase updated products?As far as results, well, CBL is not an aggressive fat loss plan like CNS. Even when I did CBL "wrong", I didn't get fatter and I sure as hell enjoyed what I was eating. Now that I have a better handle on it, I'm using it for body recomp and so far, so good. Personally, I don't share much in the way of results because it's a much slower process. I know I'm getting leaner, but because I don't have a great deal to lose, I know I'm probably not gonna see much week to week, but again, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. Last thought, Kiefer said it well in his last podcast, he's not really selling a diet, but rather, freedom. I couldn't agree more. I don't look at my watch to see if I need to eat again, I don't need to bring food with me if I leave the house for more than an hour, and I get to eat kick ass foods. Might there be a faster way to reach my fat loss goals? Probably, but I can't imagine it being half as enjoyable as CBL./rant 🙂
Oh and to echo Zach, there's often a fine line between good and great. The basic template is fine, but if you want to reach higher levels, you have to be a little more methodical (but still have fun with it of course)
Yes, the book leaves some info to be desired - but for good reason. First, think of any five people you know...let me guess, they're not all the exact same leanness/size/etc? Can't really put a RX into a book and have it fit everyone. Second, would you write a book that has every bit of knowledge you possess...or would you build a business around it and give people a reason to come to you/look to purchase updated products?As far as results, well, CBL is not an aggressive fat loss plan like CNS. Even when I did CBL "wrong", I didn't get fatter and I sure as hell enjoyed what I was eating. Now that I have a better handle on it, I'm using it for body recomp and so far, so good. Personally, I don't share much in the way of results because it's a much slower process. I know I'm getting leaner, but because I don't have a great deal to lose, I know I'm probably not gonna see much week to week, but again, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. Last thought, Kiefer said it well in his last podcast, he's not really selling a diet, but rather, freedom. I couldn't agree more. I don't look at my watch to see if I need to eat again, I don't need to bring food with me if I leave the house for more than an hour, and I get to eat kick ass foods. Might there be a faster way to reach my fat loss goals? Probably, but I can't imagine it being half as enjoyable as CBL./rant 🙂
Good points, bottom line, however, is that most of us were drawn here with the expectation that CBL produces results, sure, not as quickly as CNS but still to get leaner while building muscle, and like I said, since the book was released almost eight months ago, aside from Kiefer's personal clients, I have yet to see any real impressive results where someone was fat and got down to 10% bf or under.Also, I'm curious as to how someone could do CBL "wrong"?
Yes, the book leaves some info to be desired - but for good reason. First, think of any five people you know...let me guess, they're not all the exact same leanness/size/etc? Can't really put a RX into a book and have it fit everyone. Second, would you write a book that has every bit of knowledge you possess...or would you build a business around it and give people a reason to come to you/look to purchase updated products?As far as results, well, CBL is not an aggressive fat loss plan like CNS. Even when I did CBL "wrong", I didn't get fatter and I sure as hell enjoyed what I was eating. Now that I have a better handle on it, I'm using it for body recomp and so far, so good. Personally, I don't share much in the way of results because it's a much slower process. I know I'm getting leaner, but because I don't have a great deal to lose, I know I'm probably not gonna see much week to week, but again, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. Last thought, Kiefer said it well in his last podcast, he's not really selling a diet, but rather, freedom. I couldn't agree more. I don't look at my watch to see if I need to eat again, I don't need to bring food with me if I leave the house for more than an hour, and I get to eat kick ass foods. Might there be a faster way to reach my fat loss goals? Probably, but I can't imagine it being half as enjoyable as CBL./rant 🙂
Good points, bottom line, however, is that most of us were drawn here with the expectation that CBL produces results, sure, not as quickly as CNS but still to get leaner while building muscle, and like I said, since the book was released almost eight months ago, aside from Kiefer's personal clients, I have yet to see any real impressive results where someone was fat and got down to 10% bf or under.Also, I'm curious as to how someone could do CBL "wrong"?
Over do the carb loads, eat too much in general. ect. Just not optimize it. Any diet has to be optimized an tinkered with to become sub 10%. and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to sell you something, or they are someone who never had problems being ultra lean in the first place. Recomp is a slow process that is prone to spinning wheels if the approach is not methodical.
Yes, the book leaves some info to be desired - but for good reason. First, think of any five people you know...let me guess, they're not all the exact same leanness/size/etc? Can't really put a RX into a book and have it fit everyone. Second, would you write a book that has every bit of knowledge you possess...or would you build a business around it and give people a reason to come to you/look to purchase updated products?As far as results, well, CBL is not an aggressive fat loss plan like CNS. Even when I did CBL "wrong", I didn't get fatter and I sure as hell enjoyed what I was eating. Now that I have a better handle on it, I'm using it for body recomp and so far, so good. Personally, I don't share much in the way of results because it's a much slower process. I know I'm getting leaner, but because I don't have a great deal to lose, I know I'm probably not gonna see much week to week, but again, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. Last thought, Kiefer said it well in his last podcast, he's not really selling a diet, but rather, freedom. I couldn't agree more. I don't look at my watch to see if I need to eat again, I don't need to bring food with me if I leave the house for more than an hour, and I get to eat kick ass foods. Might there be a faster way to reach my fat loss goals? Probably, but I can't imagine it being half as enjoyable as CBL./rant 🙂
Good points, bottom line, however, is that most of us were drawn here with the expectation that CBL produces results, sure, not as quickly as CNS but still to get leaner while building muscle, and like I said, since the book was released almost eight months ago, aside from Kiefer's personal clients, I have yet to see any real impressive results where someone was fat and got down to 10% bf or under.Also, I'm curious as to how someone could do CBL "wrong"?
Over do the carb loads, eat too much in general. ect. Just not optimize it. Any diet has to be optimized an tinkered with to become sub 10%. and anyone telling you otherwise is trying to sell you something, or they are someone who never had problems being ultra lean in the first place.Isn't this the reason people bought CBL, to try to reach 10% BF?Recomp is a slow process that is prone to spinning wheels if the approach is not methodical.
Ive had good results losing fat with cbl sa it took me from 10% to 8% bf and added at least 10lbs of muscle ( more considering i dropped 2% bf ) taking me from 205 ( fully hydrated, with full glycogen stores ) to 215 at 5'8 it wasn't instant but nothing legitimate is. This was after a 6 month plateau. On top of that i think it was only claimed to get people to 10% so it exceeded my expectations.
Ive had good results losing fat with cbl sa it took me from 10% to 8% bf and added at least 10lbs of muscle ( more considering i dropped 2% bf ) taking me from 205 ( fully hydrated, with full glycogen stores ) to 215 at 5'8 it wasn't instant but nothing legitimate is. This was after a 6 month plateau. On top of that i think it was only claimed to get people to 10% so it exceeded my expectations.
Did you stick to the basics and get results steadily or did you have to make several tweaks to get the results that you were hoping for?
I have gotten good results with CBL and put on approximately 10 pounds of muscle in the process. I may not be be less than 10% BF but I have legitimately lost 10 percentage points of body fat.
I went from 26% to 13% between Xmas and may! I also went from 86kg to 92kg In that time.So I am very happyI have since one upto 95 but also added some fat (16% now) but that is cos I was trying to much experimenting and not sticking to my plan!
I have gotten good results with CBL and put on approximately 10 pounds of muscle in the process. I may not be be less than 10% BF but I have legitimately lost 10 percentage points of body fat.
Those are impressive results, congratulations on your success. Did you stick to the basics or did you have to make several tweaks? Also, how long did it take you to get to your current stats?
I think a very good point that has been brought up is the fact that CBL is not really designed to be a pure fat loss program. It's intent is more focused on losing fat while gaining muscle, which was until I read Keifer's work, impossible. You simply had to be cutting or bulking or sustaining. It should be considered more of a body recomposition tool. If you go too crazy on your backloads you may not get the results you want from CBL. This can pertain to a lot of factors invovled…not training with enough intensity, not stimulating the GLUT4 receptors, poor timing, poor nutrient (food choices), etc. I mean comeon some of us are loading up on donuts and cookies in our post workout states, and still remaining lean and gaining some musce on top of that. Who can argue? You want pure fat loss CN. You want to gain some muscle or need to stimulate your metabolism a little bit to get your body back in gear without incurring fat gains CBL. Getting shredded has always been more of an art than a science. Keifer's connect the dots research has made it possible to have the best of both worlds, big and lean. Regardless of the amount of questions it leaves to be answered, the basic template works--both in science and in practice. Another key point...anytime you start dropping below 10% bodyfat you're going to have to make alterations to your diet. Regardless...you're body is a fine tuned instrument, and it knows when you're trying to keep that level of bodyfat. You may not be able to back load every night after training. "But I worked shoulders really hard..." so what, it might not have been enough stimluation to really elicit a large enough anabolic spike to store enough carbs from a heavy back load. Them's the breaks.
Yes, the book leaves some info to be desired - but for good reason. First, think of any five people you know...let me guess, they're not all the exact same leanness/size/etc? Can't really put a RX into a book and have it fit everyone. Second, would you write a book that has every bit of knowledge you possess...or would you build a business around it and give people a reason to come to you/look to purchase updated products?As far as results, well, CBL is not an aggressive fat loss plan like CNS. Even when I did CBL "wrong", I didn't get fatter and I sure as hell enjoyed what I was eating. Now that I have a better handle on it, I'm using it for body recomp and so far, so good. Personally, I don't share much in the way of results because it's a much slower process. I know I'm getting leaner, but because I don't have a great deal to lose, I know I'm probably not gonna see much week to week, but again, I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. Last thought, Kiefer said it well in his last podcast, he's not really selling a diet, but rather, freedom. I couldn't agree more. I don't look at my watch to see if I need to eat again, I don't need to bring food with me if I leave the house for more than an hour, and I get to eat kick ass foods. Might there be a faster way to reach my fat loss goals? Probably, but I can't imagine it being half as enjoyable as CBL./rant 🙂
Good points, bottom line, however, is that most of us were drawn here with the expectation that CBL produces results, sure, not as quickly as CNS but still to get leaner while building muscle, and like I said, since the book was released almost eight months ago, aside from Kiefer's personal clients, I have yet to see any real impressive results where someone was fat and got down to 10% bf or under.Also, I'm curious as to how someone could do CBL "wrong"?
8 months to get from fat to under 10% BF? Do you realize how short a turn around that is?Recomps of that magnitude are a marathon, not a sprint. Have some patience.. CBL is working for me, both in performance and asthetics. Not to mention how much I am enjoying the variety of foods I can eat now rather than brown rice and grilled chicken every 3 hours.
I think a very good point that has been brought up is the fact that CBL is not really designed to be a pure fat loss program.It's intent is more focused on losing fat while gaining muscle, which was until I read Keifer's work, impossible You simply had to be cutting or bulking or sustaining. It should be considered more of a body recomposition tool.Bro, that's what CBL is, lose fat while gaining muscle If you go too crazy on your backloads you may not get the results you want from CBL.The outlines are layed out, so if you follow them you should see some results. This can pertain to a lot of factors invovled...not training with enough intensity, not stimulating the GLUT4 receptors, poor timing, poor nutrient (food choices)Like low gycemic carbs? I'm sure that everyone here knows that you need to eat high glycemic carbs., etc. I mean comeon some of us are loading up on donuts and cookies in our post workout states, and still remaining lean and gaining some musce on top of that. Who can argue? No argument with the donuts and cookies but if it's so simple why aren't more people more successful? So far I've counted maybe four or five people that have had good results out of hundreds(percentage wise this is not a good number).You want pure fat loss CN.Obviously, but I'm not here for pure fat loss. You want to gain some muscle or need to stimulate your metabolism a little bit to get your body back in gear without incurring fat gains CBL. Getting shredded has always been more of an art than a science. Keifer's connect the dots research has made it possible to have the best of both worlds, big and lean. Regardless of the amount of questions it leaves to be answered, the basic template works--both in science and in practice. Another key point...anytime you start dropping below 10% bodyfat you're going to have to make alterations to your diet. Regardless...you're body is a fine tuned instrument, and it knows when you're trying to keep that level of bodyfat. You may not be able to back load every night after training. "But I worked shoulders really hard..." so what, it might not have been enough stimluation to really elicit a large enough anabolic spike to store enough carbs from a heavy back load. Them's the breaks.Kiefer clearly states that you have to lift heavy to elicit the response
Again, the reason people are here and are CBL is because they want to lose bodyfat while gaining muscle, this was the selling point for CBL
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