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I've seen on multiple posts people suggesting to stay away from plant based fats like avocado. Can someone explain the science behind this?Although plant based I know coconut oil is definitely OK, but are there other oils we should also be cooking with as well?This may be because I'm a woman but I totally have to obsess over what I eat. Through trial and error I've found that dairy completely stalls my weight loss except butter and whey protein on CNS hinders me as well unless taken on a CN (shocker). Maybe I'm just more sensitive to insulin. I eat avocado everyday so I want to test not eating it and see what happens.As always, THANK YOU! 😀
I've seen on multiple posts people suggesting to stay away from plant based fats like avocado. Can someone explain the science behind this?Although plant based I know coconut oil is definitely OK, but are there other oils we should also be cooking with as well?This may be because I'm a woman but I totally have to obsess over what I eat. Through trial and error I've found that dairy completely stalls my weight loss except butter and whey protein on CNS hinders me as well unless taken on a CN (shocker). Maybe I'm just more sensitive to insulin. I eat avocado everyday so I want to test not eating it and see what happens.As always, THANK YOU! 😀
Plant oils and fats (oils are fats) are higher in monosaturated fat and polyunsaturated fats. Monosaturated fats are more likely to be stored as fat and polyunsaturated fats oxidize easily creating inflammation and oxidative stress.This is really more of a health thing though. You probably won't notice much of a difference as far as fat loss goes. Eating an avocado isn't going to kill you. So if you enjoy plant fats like avocados and nuts, I would still consume them. IF you don't enjoy them, don't think it's a good idea to consume them because it just isn't true.
I really enjoy avocado so I add them in. I have a hard time getting my fat high enough so it helps me.
I really enjoy avocado so I add them in. I have a hard time getting my fat high enough so it helps me.
That's funny because I have a hard time keeping my fat intake down! What does your typical diet consist of?
A typical day is a protein for breakfast cooked in butter with coffee and HWC(this is something new for me)protein veggie butter and a few bites of coconut buttersnack is some nuts, egg, or something PWO shake if I liftDinner is meat and veggie with a fat source. I also add in a few bites coconut butter or maybe even some almond butter from time to time. When I add avocado it is a few times a week at either lunch or dinner. I actually just had some 🙂Â
Polyunsaturated fats should be avoided at all costs for both health and fat loss imo. They slow metabolic rate and are easier to store and harder to burn. Monounsaturated and Saturated fats are best.
Quote:"Over the years, it has become evident that the polyunsaturated fats are not very compatible with a high rate of metabolism, though they are necessary for organisms that live at low temperatures and metabolize slowly, such as fish and vegetables. The saturated fats solidify at low temperature; beef fat is very stiff at refrigerator temperature, and in a fat fish, such stiffness would be lethal."So in other words if fat loss and health is a goal anything that poison's metabolism should be minimized if not flat out removed. The problem with losing fat after eating a lot of polyunsaturated fats is that when the body starts taping into them it slows metabolism. Having fat stores that are more saturated means easier fat loss.
It's industrial chemically extracted vegitable and seed oils that are bad. Coconut, olive and avacado's are fruits and the oil from them is obtaind by pressing them.
Polyunsaturated fats should be avoided at all costs for both health and fat loss imo. They slow metabolic rate and are easier to store and harder to burn. Monounsaturated and Saturated fats are best.
Quote:"Over the years, it has become evident that the polyunsaturated fats are not very compatible with a high rate of metabolism, though they are necessary for organisms that live at low temperatures and metabolize slowly, such as fish and vegetables. The saturated fats solidify at low temperature; beef fat is very stiff at refrigerator temperature, and in a fat fish, such stiffness would be lethal."So in other words if fat loss and health is a goal anything that poison's metabolism should be minimized if not flat out removed. The problem with losing fat after eating a lot of polyunsaturated fats is that when the body starts taping into them it slows metabolism. Having fat stores that are more saturated means easier fat loss.
I really think this is splitting hairs. I haven't noticed a difference at all when I go strict with the fats I am consuming and when I have some nuts and peanut butter here and there.
Polyunsaturated fats should be avoided at all costs for both health and fat loss imo. They slow metabolic rate and are easier to store and harder to burn. Monounsaturated and Saturated fats are best.
Quote:"Over the years, it has become evident that the polyunsaturated fats are not very compatible with a high rate of metabolism, though they are necessary for organisms that live at low temperatures and metabolize slowly, such as fish and vegetables. The saturated fats solidify at low temperature; beef fat is very stiff at refrigerator temperature, and in a fat fish, such stiffness would be lethal."So in other words if fat loss and health is a goal anything that poison's metabolism should be minimized if not flat out removed. The problem with losing fat after eating a lot of polyunsaturated fats is that when the body starts taping into them it slows metabolism. Having fat stores that are more saturated means easier fat loss.
I really think this is splitting hairs. I haven't noticed a difference at all when I go strict with the fats I am consuming and when I have some nuts and peanut butter here and there.
The problem is cumulative though. If you are in a fat loss phase and eating PUFAs hopefully they are being burned not stored. If you are eating them on a maintenance or bulking phase they will be getting stored and displacing the saturated fats skewing the ratio. Over time this ratio gets worse and just makes fatloss and keeping the metabolism higher harder and harder. You are young enough and probably never been really overweight for it to be much of a problem. Overweight and obese people who has been sold the heart healthy BS on PUFAs would have a much harder time of it. Its definitely a long term strategy not a short 12 week fatloss plan. The research is there and has been for decades. But its fighting a rather large PR battle.
So if you should avoid polyunsaturated fats Ie plant based fats nuts avocados etc. where should you be getting your fats from. I am starting to fall under the belief that allot of folks are just like eating a few spoon fulls of coconut oil or a couple pads of butter with a protein source. Clearly your normal diets cant be so bland. Are you able to source hydrogenated lard or some thing. To much cheese makes me feel cardiovascularly depleted. I remember keifer even making a comment on chees throwing off the ratio of fats in his Q and A portion in the back of Carb Night. Clearly his warning of not getting to many saturated fats still holds true. So whats the %'s that you would be feeding your self for weight loss. I have been eating hand fulls of almonds for snacks for years.
Should eating fatty cuts of meat to help with that fat count. It's not difficult to just use coconut oil, red palm oil, and butter.
So if you should avoid polyunsaturated fats Ie plant based fats nuts avocados etc. where should you be getting your fats from. I am starting to fall under the belief that allot of folks are just like eating a few spoon fulls of coconut oil or a couple pads of butter with a protein source. Clearly your normal diets cant be so bland. Are you able to source hydrogenated lard or some thing. To much cheese makes me feel cardiovascularly depleted. I remember keifer even making a comment on chees throwing off the ratio of fats in his Q and A portion in the back of Carb Night. Clearly his warning of not getting to many saturated fats still holds true. So whats the %'s that you would be feeding your self for weight loss. I have been eating hand fulls of almonds for snacks for years.
Your concerns demonstrate my problem with the PUFA bashing. There are PUFAs in everything, if you try to avoid PUFA like an Orthorexic, you end up with a very limited amount of food choices.Don't worry about PUFAs. Just avoid the mass produced vegetable and seed oils. The PUFA problem will take care of itself.
i agree with Ibob if your only sources of PUFAs are some nuts and random other whole foods that have them I wouldn't worry.. but i highly recommend avoiding all extracted oils soybean oil, safflower, ect ect pretty much any dressings, most fried foods, good majority of packaged goods. You cut out all the industrial PUFAs you should be fine
So if you should avoid polyunsaturated fats Ie plant based fats nuts avocados etc. where should you be getting your fats from. I am starting to fall under the belief that allot of folks are just like eating a few spoon fulls of coconut oil or a couple pads of butter with a protein source. Clearly your normal diets cant be so bland. Are you able to source hydrogenated lard or some thing. To much cheese makes me feel cardiovascularly depleted. I remember keifer even making a comment on chees throwing off the ratio of fats in his Q and A portion in the back of Carb Night. Clearly his warning of not getting to many saturated fats still holds true. So whats the %'s that you would be feeding your self for weight loss. I have been eating hand fulls of almonds for snacks for years.
Your concerns demonstrate my problem with the PUFA bashing. There are PUFAs in everything, if you try to avoid PUFA like an Orthorexic, you end up with a very limited amount of food choices.Don't worry about PUFAs. Just avoid the mass produced vegetable and seed oils. The PUFA problem will take care of itself.
I agree with you to a point iBob, but considering as you say how much PUFA is actually out there, even eating what may appear to be healthier choices can still net you far too much. I wouldnt say you have to avoid them by being a complete head-case about it, but depending on what foods you are eating it may be better to be congnizant about your food choices and swing them in the direction of saturated over polyunsaturated fats. As an example, when talking about staples in ones diet, chicken would be a bad choice compared to Beef, Fatty fish would be a bad choice compared to lean fish. Once in a while wont kill you. But just like you can drink and do drugs and still lose fat and gain muscle theres no way you could convince me that that is part of an "Optimal" program.
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