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January 24, 2014 at 2:12 am #10562
GnomerParticipanthttps://soundcloud.com/body-io-fm/02-effecient-exercise-arxlooks like these guys put together the ultimate compact HIT machine
January 27, 2014 at 5:29 pm #212672
ChuckMemberLiked it. Hope they run the I.O. podcast frequently. Also wish they would advertise the DH gear or I.O. gear. 8)
January 27, 2014 at 6:39 pm #212673
Brandon D ChristParticipantYea that machine seems VERY revolutionary. I am skeptical though that it will be able to take the place of barbell training completely. I just don't see how that machine will allow for the development of coordination like how barbell exercises do.
January 27, 2014 at 6:45 pm #212674
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorYea that machine seems VERY revolutionary. I am skeptical though that it will be able to take the place of barbell training completely. I just don't see how that machine will allow for the development of coordination like how barbell exercises do.
I'm gonna get a chance to try them at PFX, plus the place I work is actaully looking at getting a few of the ARX machines for our studio. It's actually one of the main reasons I'm going to PFX.
January 27, 2014 at 6:50 pm #212675
Brandon D ChristParticipantYea that machine seems VERY revolutionary. I am skeptical though that it will be able to take the place of barbell training completely. I just don't see how that machine will allow for the development of coordination like how barbell exercises do.
I'm gonna get a chance to try them at PFX, plus the place I work is actaully looking at getting a few of the ARX machines for our studio. It's actually one of the main reasons I'm going to PFX.
That would be the only thing I'd be interested in seeing there.
January 27, 2014 at 6:55 pm #212676
GnomerParticipanti couldn't see it replacing barbell training but would be very helpful for doing HIT style training in terms of hypertrophy without the need for a spotter or risk of injury.. and for the purposes they talk about in the podcast like rehabilitation and such
January 27, 2014 at 6:59 pm #212677
Brandon D ChristParticipanti couldn't see it replacing barbell training but would be very helpful for doing HIT style training in terms of hypertrophy without the need for a spotter or risk of injury.. and for the purposes they talk about in the podcast like rehabilitation and such
Exactly.
January 27, 2014 at 7:34 pm #212678
Charles T GrimsleyMemberI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
January 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm #212679
GnomerParticipantI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
it actually doesn't really though.. he has a video on youtube doing a demonstration. One guy is doing a pulldown as you pulldown you pull at maximum force you can handle. When you letoff the machine will go back to its start position but keeps the tension so you can hold onto the handles pretty much as hard as possible and get crazy amount of resistence in both directions
January 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm #212680
Brandon D ChristParticipantI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
There are two possible reasons:1. Weight releasers only load the first eccentric contraction. So if you are doing a set of 5, only the first eccentric is loaded, unless you have partners reload the weight releaser after every rep. The machine loads every eccentric much more easily.2. Kiefer may not be aware that weight releasers exist.
January 27, 2014 at 7:49 pm #212681
Brandon D ChristParticipantI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
it actually doesn't really though.. he has a video on youtube doing a demonstration. One guy is doing a pulldown as you pulldown you pull at maximum force you can handle. When you letoff the machine will go back to its start position but keeps the tension so you can hold onto the handles pretty much as hard as possible and get crazy amount of resistence in both directions
What he means is that it can load the eccentric portion more and the concentric portion less.
January 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm #212682
GnomerParticipantI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
it actually doesn't really though.. he has a video on youtube doing a demonstration. One guy is doing a pulldown as you pulldown you pull at maximum force you can handle. When you letoff the machine will go back to its start position but keeps the tension so you can hold onto the handles pretty much as hard as possible and get crazy amount of resistence in both directions
What he means is that it can load the eccentric portion more and the concentric portion less.
if you look at the demonstration on youtube it doesn't really look that way.. it looks like you get pretty much full resistence for the entire range of a lift
January 27, 2014 at 7:59 pm #212683
Brandon D ChristParticipantI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
it actually doesn't really though.. he has a video on youtube doing a demonstration. One guy is doing a pulldown as you pulldown you pull at maximum force you can handle. When you letoff the machine will go back to its start position but keeps the tension so you can hold onto the handles pretty much as hard as possible and get crazy amount of resistence in both directions
What he means is that it can load the eccentric portion more and the concentric portion less.
if you look at the demonstration on youtube it doesn't really look that way.. it looks like you get pretty much full resistence for the entire range of a lift
Exactly that's what's I just said. Say you are bench 180 for 5 reps. You can program the machine to have 180 lbs for the concentric and say 210 lbs on the eccentric. The machine can increase the resistance on the eccentric if you'd like since you are stronger on eccentric contractions. You can also make the resistance 0 on the eccentric for concentric only training, which Kiefer said is useful for diabetics.
January 27, 2014 at 8:05 pm #212684
GnomerParticipantI was just kinda confused how Kiefer kept slamming bands and chains but didn't mention weight releasers. The machine loads the eccentric phase heavy and then lets off for the concentric. Kiefer kept mentioning how bands and chains load the opposite (which they do) but didn't mention weight releasers which load the eccentric heavy then let off for the concentric. I feel like that is a decent way to mimic the machine with a barbell.
it actually doesn't really though.. he has a video on youtube doing a demonstration. One guy is doing a pulldown as you pulldown you pull at maximum force you can handle. When you letoff the machine will go back to its start position but keeps the tension so you can hold onto the handles pretty much as hard as possible and get crazy amount of resistence in both directions
What he means is that it can load the eccentric portion more and the concentric portion less.
if you look at the demonstration on youtube it doesn't really look that way.. it looks like you get pretty much full resistence for the entire range of a lift
Exactly that's what's I just said. Say you are bench 180 for 5 reps. You can program the machine to have 180 lbs for the concentric and say 210 lbs on the eccentric. The machine can increase the resistance on the eccentric if you'd like since you are stronger on eccentric contractions. You can also make the resistance 0 on the eccentric for concentric only training, which Kiefer said is useful for diabetics.
i see what you are saying
March 24, 2014 at 7:19 pm #212685
Umayr AllemParticipantHas anybody managed to get around to trying this thing? I got in touch with them and they are working on updating the hardware and software which is expected to be released later this year.
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