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For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
I clearly agree, esp. after seeing my gains (no matter the amount) on CNS.Cory
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
Makes absolute sense.
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
Makes absolute sense.
Everyone is me. I am stating that its impossible to grow muscle being in a caloric deficit, and CNS. Getting stronger, I think if timed around the CN is possible. This depends of course on the amount of muscle you had before going on the diet. I stick to my guns.
Cool, I'll be testing and posting my latest PRs on Tues
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
Makes absolute sense.
Everyone is me. I am stating that its impossible to grow muscle being in a caloric deficit, and CNS. Getting stronger, I think if timed around the CN is possible. This depends of course on the amount of muscle you had before going on the diet. I stick to my guns.
Sticking to your guns is your prerogative. Sticking to what we believe is ours. I personally have written diets for body builders on calorie restricted diets for contest prep and witnessed them grow muscle on ketogenic and cyclic ketogenic plans. granted its not at the same rate as in a calorie surplus but if you time your nutrient intake properly it certainly does happen. On topic, I think context is everything. Your training style/sport and muscle make up will factor in what's best for you. Personally I have had the vast majority of people train with the basic pattern of: explosive light load (as many sets as needed to be deemed active but not fatigued) - primary heavy movement ( with extended heavy sets in the 3-5 rep range)- primary isolation movement ( typical 8-12 rep range) grow and perform the best not just in body building but in sprinting/volleyball/cricket/fencing. Also, how many endurance athletes do you see able to grow muscle well. I have seen and as well as others that ex runners trying to bulk there legs up have a much harder time than non endurance athletes.I'm not saying the article is incorrect, it shouldn't be dismissed. But what I am trying to say is that it goes against years of scientific and real world research. The context and conditions of the article should be considered.
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Cool, I'll be testing and posting my latest PRs on Tues
However you get motivation...
Shannon, her progress has been excellent... and she is no "newb" when it comes to resistance training and muscle-growth. She's been climbing for over 10 years, and she has serious muscular development from her sport. She accents that sport w/ resistance work in her gym, where she is hitting PRs.Her strength increases constantly, and her muscles have developed further in the last year. That isn't newb gains in my book, not at her experience level.I can back that up, myself. I am on CNS, and I have grown muscle, my strength is also up constantly on core lifts + accessories. I do a Power-BB'ing style of training currently, with 1 CN a week. I have been lifting for years, and came to these diets with considerable LBM.With the right genetics, combined with effort and proper eating, even in a 'deficit' or carb-restriction, this is clearly possible, and I think her drive is excellent. I wish more people had a drive to succeed as she does.Cory
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
Makes absolute sense.
Everyone is me. I am stating that its impossible to grow muscle being in a caloric deficit, and CNS. Getting stronger, I think if timed around the CN is possible. This depends of course on the amount of muscle you had before going on the diet. I stick to my guns.
Sticking to your guns is your prerogative. Sticking to what we believe is ours. I personally have written diets for body builders on calorie restricted diets for contest prep and witnessed them grow muscle on ketogenic and cyclic ketogenic plans. granted its not at the same rate as in a calorie surplus but if you time your nutrient intake properly it certainly does happen. On topic, I think context is everything. Your training style/sport and muscle make up will factor in what's best for you. Personally I have had the vast majority of people train with the basic pattern of: explosive light load (as many sets as needed to be deemed active but not fatigued) - primary heavy movement ( with extended heavy sets in the 3-5 rep range)- primary isolation movement ( typical 8-12 rep range) grow and perform the best not just in body building but in sprinting/volleyball/cricket/fencing. Also, how many endurance athletes do you see able to grow muscle well. I have seen and as well as others that ex runners trying to bulk there legs up have a much harder time than non endurance athletes.I'm not saying the article is incorrect, it shouldn't be dismissed. But what I am trying to say is that it goes against years of scientific and real world research. The context and conditions of the article should be considered.
https://soundcloud.com/dh-kiefer Mountain dog howls PART @ - Min 21 second 54.....
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
Makes absolute sense.
Everyone is me. I am stating that its impossible to grow muscle being in a caloric deficit, and CNS. Getting stronger, I think if timed around the CN is possible. This depends of course on the amount of muscle you had before going on the diet. I stick to my guns.
Sticking to your guns is your prerogative. Sticking to what we believe is ours. I personally have written diets for body builders on calorie restricted diets for contest prep and witnessed them grow muscle on ketogenic and cyclic ketogenic plans. granted its not at the same rate as in a calorie surplus but if you time your nutrient intake properly it certainly does happen. On topic, I think context is everything. Your training style/sport and muscle make up will factor in what's best for you. Personally I have had the vast majority of people train with the basic pattern of: explosive light load (as many sets as needed to be deemed active but not fatigued) - primary heavy movement ( with extended heavy sets in the 3-5 rep range)- primary isolation movement ( typical 8-12 rep range) grow and perform the best not just in body building but in sprinting/volleyball/cricket/fencing. Also, how many endurance athletes do you see able to grow muscle well. I have seen and as well as others that ex runners trying to bulk there legs up have a much harder time than non endurance athletes.I'm not saying the article is incorrect, it shouldn't be dismissed. But what I am trying to say is that it goes against years of scientific and real world research. The context and conditions of the article should be considered.
https://soundcloud.com/dh-kiefer Mountain dog howls PART @ - Min 21 second 54.....
Which part? There are 3!
For everyone who says it's impossible for me to gain more strength, and lose more fat at the same time from my current state, while on CNS: I'm starting an online training log where I will regularly test my PRs so you can watch as I do the impossible 🙂 I will post the link here once it's set up.
Totally possible, my strength continues to climb on CNS. Train right, eat right, even on CNS, and it will happen.I will be following that training log. 😉Cory
All that is needed for protein synthesis is free amino acids and some sort of anabolic hormone, which can be insulin or GH. Carbohydrates help a lot, but are not required.
Makes absolute sense.
Everyone is me. I am stating that its impossible to grow muscle being in a caloric deficit, and CNS. Getting stronger, I think if timed around the CN is possible. This depends of course on the amount of muscle you had before going on the diet. I stick to my guns.
Sticking to your guns is your prerogative. Sticking to what we believe is ours. I personally have written diets for body builders on calorie restricted diets for contest prep and witnessed them grow muscle on ketogenic and cyclic ketogenic plans. granted its not at the same rate as in a calorie surplus but if you time your nutrient intake properly it certainly does happen. On topic, I think context is everything. Your training style/sport and muscle make up will factor in what's best for you. Personally I have had the vast majority of people train with the basic pattern of: explosive light load (as many sets as needed to be deemed active but not fatigued) - primary heavy movement ( with extended heavy sets in the 3-5 rep range)- primary isolation movement ( typical 8-12 rep range) grow and perform the best not just in body building but in sprinting/volleyball/cricket/fencing. Also, how many endurance athletes do you see able to grow muscle well. I have seen and as well as others that ex runners trying to bulk there legs up have a much harder time than non endurance athletes.I'm not saying the article is incorrect, it shouldn't be dismissed. But what I am trying to say is that it goes against years of scientific and real world research. The context and conditions of the article should be considered.
https://soundcloud.com/dh-kiefer Mountain dog howls PART @ - Min 21 second 54.....
Which part? There are 3!
I'm guessing @ is a typo for 2.
Ok taken a listen. p shannon. What point are you getting at?
I don't know if you listened to the whole thing. Your nutrition has to match your training. To properly grow muscle and maintain it you can not be in a ketogenic state. Meadows and Kiefer both agree on this point multiple times through out the whole podcast. If your trying to gain muscle then why would you do it in the most inefficient way, by stripping people of the essential building block to do so. I'm sure there are genetically gifted people that can achieve this muscle growth, but it still doesn't work for the majority of people. I just find it very ironic, that someone like Meadows who writes diets for very famous people, disagrees with you about growing muscle while on a ketogenic diet, and says its impossible. I'm not trying to start shit, but your being HIGHLY condescending.
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