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Thats why Ive always found it strange that most diets are based around fatloss. Muscle building is by far the hardest and most lengthy part of any real change in body comp. I had a female friend who posted up some stats she wanted to achieve. Turned out she planned on gaining like 5kg of muscle and losing 10kg of fat. and she thought that the fatloss would be the hard part! LOL
Because you can't make muscle grow by dieting. A poor diet can limit muscle gorwth. At best a diet can tweak muscle growth to be slightly better, but in the end of the day, muscle growth comes from training hard and recovering. And steroids.
"And steroids" is correct! It is definately the hormonal state which promotes or limits muscle growth. It just so happens when you are dieting (restricting calories) that the hormonal state is disrupted and down regulated. Makes perfect biological and evolutionary sense too.
Ha, "and steroids." Although, they could almost be lumped into the category of training hard and recovering, given that a huge function of steroids is the increased work and recovery capacity..
Yea you don't get big from just taking steroids that's what these anti-steroid morons don't understand. They think they can just drug themselves to be Ronnie Coleman. While Ronnie does a shitload of drugs, he also works his ass off and has awesome genetics.I just added steroids on there because if you do take steroids you will get a slight increase in muscle mass even if you don't change your training at all.
Agreed. I just had this conversation with a friend the other day where I basically told him that just because someone is on steroids, doesn't mean they didn't work. In fact, they almost definitely put in MORE work in a shorter amount of time than a clean guy.But let's be real here.. If steroids weren't illegal in the US, as they aren't in like the Eastern Bloc countries, who wouldn't really take them? Their dangers are so incredibly overblown, it's ridiculous. I believe I've heard something like having health issues from PROPER use of steroids is less likely than your chance of being struck by lightning.. or something similar. If I were able to go to my doctor and tell him what I wanted to do and he could write me a scrip, I'd do them. That's my biggest hesitation; when something is illegal (or legal, but more so when illegal) you can't really trust sources. And I'm not going to be shoving some watered down, or laced, crap into my body, ha. Hmm.. was than an over share? :-X 😮
Well actually the reality is there has never been any long term studies on steroids that are taken at supraphysiological dosages, so the long term effects are largely unknown. Additionally there aren't very many short term studies on supraphysiological dosages.While steroids have benefits and I think done smartly their side effects can be minimized, the truth is I still think most people have no business taking them. I'm not saying they should be illegal, but if you are just training for physique (not competing in bodybuilding) and taking them I think you are an idiot for risking your health for no reason. I really think only professional athletes should take steroids at supraphysiological dosages. By professional I mean anyone who competes at the highest level of their sport.
I dunno. I can't necessarily agree with the risking your health just to look better and feel better about yourself. We can't really say if the potential risks to health could outweigh the potential benefits to health for some people. Perhaps those with negative body image, suffering from depression or something. I'm reaching, here, I know, but still. Driving a car is a huge risk to our health, but we all still do it for silly reasons.Maybe I'm in the weeds, but were there trusted sources, GOOD advice for PROPER usage, and no legal tape, I'd happily experiment with a year here and there of hard training and usage to get me more setup for where I'd like to be (physically) for the rest of my life. But it's all a moot point, because the policies are certainly not going to change anytime soon. And I sure as shit am not moving to Bulgaria.And I love how far afield this topic has gone! Ha. Since we're off topic, but it's my thread anyway, on the CBL-HD Leg day there are leg presses.. Leg presses kill my lower back because of the forced posterior pelvic tilt, anything y'all could suggest to swap them with for the same effect?
Front Squats.
They're already in the program.. 3x12 FS,3x10 BS, then 3x10 Leg Press.
Thats why Ive always found it strange that most diets are based around fatloss. Muscle building is by far the hardest and most lengthy part of any real change in body comp. I had a female friend who posted up some stats she wanted to achieve. Turned out she planned on gaining like 5kg of muscle and losing 10kg of fat. and she thought that the fatloss would be the hard part! LOL
Because you can't make muscle grow by dieting. A poor diet can limit muscle gorwth. At best a diet can tweak muscle growth to be slightly better, but in the end of the day, muscle growth comes from training hard and recovering. And steroids.
"And steroids" is correct! It is definately the hormonal state which promotes or limits muscle growth. It just so happens when you are dieting (restricting calories) that the hormonal state is disrupted and down regulated. Makes perfect biological and evolutionary sense too.
Ha, "and steroids." Although, they could almost be lumped into the category of training hard and recovering, given that a huge function of steroids is the increased work and recovery capacity..
Yea you don't get big from just taking steroids that's what these anti-steroid morons don't understand. They think they can just drug themselves to be Ronnie Coleman. While Ronnie does a shitload of drugs, he also works his ass off and has awesome genetics.I just added steroids on there because if you do take steroids you will get a slight increase in muscle mass even if you don't change your training at all.
Agreed. I just had this conversation with a friend the other day where I basically told him that just because someone is on steroids, doesn't mean they didn't work. In fact, they almost definitely put in MORE work in a shorter amount of time than a clean guy.But let's be real here.. If steroids weren't illegal in the US, as they aren't in like the Eastern Bloc countries, who wouldn't really take them? Their dangers are so incredibly overblown, it's ridiculous. I believe I've heard something like having health issues from PROPER use of steroids is less likely than your chance of being struck by lightning.. or something similar. If I were able to go to my doctor and tell him what I wanted to do and he could write me a scrip, I'd do them. That's my biggest hesitation; when something is illegal (or legal, but more so when illegal) you can't really trust sources. And I'm not going to be shoving some watered down, or laced, crap into my body, ha. Hmm.. was than an over share? :-X 😮
Well actually the reality is there has never been any long term studies on steroids that are taken at supraphysiological dosages, so the long term effects are largely unknown. Additionally there aren't very many short term studies on supraphysiological dosages.While steroids have benefits and I think done smartly their side effects can be minimized, the truth is I still think most people have no business taking them. I'm not saying they should be illegal, but if you are just training for physique (not competing in bodybuilding) and taking them I think you are an idiot for risking your health for no reason. I really think only professional athletes should take steroids at supraphysiological dosages. By professional I mean anyone who competes at the highest level of their sport.
I dunno. I can't necessarily agree with the risking your health just to look better and feel better about yourself. We can't really say if the potential risks to health could outweigh the potential benefits to health for some people. Perhaps those with negative body image, suffering from depression or something. I'm reaching, here, I know, but still. Driving a car is a huge risk to our health, but we all still do it for silly reasons.Maybe I'm in the weeds, but were there trusted sources, GOOD advice for PROPER usage, and no legal tape, I'd happily experiment with a year here and there of hard training and usage to get me more setup for where I'd like to be (physically) for the rest of my life. But it's all a moot point, because the policies are certainly not going to change anytime soon. And I sure as shit am not moving to Bulgaria.And I love how far afield this topic has gone! Ha. Since we're off topic, but it's my thread anyway, on the CBL-HD Leg day there are leg presses.. Leg presses kill my lower back because of the forced posterior pelvic tilt, anything y'all could suggest to swap them with for the same effect?
Front Squats.
+1Depends really on what part your trying to develop... or the whole thing perhaps?Also, Split squat and Russian one leg squat with a close stance (assuming you've already done front squats with close stance). Trying to sit all the weight on the outer foot / small toe focuses in on that real good.Frog stance hack squats for inner leg width. (wide stance, Feet in V shapeHip adduction is good also good practice
Thats why Ive always found it strange that most diets are based around fatloss. Muscle building is by far the hardest and most lengthy part of any real change in body comp. I had a female friend who posted up some stats she wanted to achieve. Turned out she planned on gaining like 5kg of muscle and losing 10kg of fat. and she thought that the fatloss would be the hard part! LOL
Because you can't make muscle grow by dieting. A poor diet can limit muscle gorwth. At best a diet can tweak muscle growth to be slightly better, but in the end of the day, muscle growth comes from training hard and recovering. And steroids.
"And steroids" is correct! It is definately the hormonal state which promotes or limits muscle growth. It just so happens when you are dieting (restricting calories) that the hormonal state is disrupted and down regulated. Makes perfect biological and evolutionary sense too.
Ha, "and steroids." Although, they could almost be lumped into the category of training hard and recovering, given that a huge function of steroids is the increased work and recovery capacity..
Yea you don't get big from just taking steroids that's what these anti-steroid morons don't understand. They think they can just drug themselves to be Ronnie Coleman. While Ronnie does a shitload of drugs, he also works his ass off and has awesome genetics.I just added steroids on there because if you do take steroids you will get a slight increase in muscle mass even if you don't change your training at all.
Agreed. I just had this conversation with a friend the other day where I basically told him that just because someone is on steroids, doesn't mean they didn't work. In fact, they almost definitely put in MORE work in a shorter amount of time than a clean guy.But let's be real here.. If steroids weren't illegal in the US, as they aren't in like the Eastern Bloc countries, who wouldn't really take them? Their dangers are so incredibly overblown, it's ridiculous. I believe I've heard something like having health issues from PROPER use of steroids is less likely than your chance of being struck by lightning.. or something similar. If I were able to go to my doctor and tell him what I wanted to do and he could write me a scrip, I'd do them. That's my biggest hesitation; when something is illegal (or legal, but more so when illegal) you can't really trust sources. And I'm not going to be shoving some watered down, or laced, crap into my body, ha. Hmm.. was than an over share? :-X 😮
Well actually the reality is there has never been any long term studies on steroids that are taken at supraphysiological dosages, so the long term effects are largely unknown. Additionally there aren't very many short term studies on supraphysiological dosages.While steroids have benefits and I think done smartly their side effects can be minimized, the truth is I still think most people have no business taking them. I'm not saying they should be illegal, but if you are just training for physique (not competing in bodybuilding) and taking them I think you are an idiot for risking your health for no reason. I really think only professional athletes should take steroids at supraphysiological dosages. By professional I mean anyone who competes at the highest level of their sport.
I dunno. I can't necessarily agree with the risking your health just to look better and feel better about yourself. We can't really say if the potential risks to health could outweigh the potential benefits to health for some people. Perhaps those with negative body image, suffering from depression or something. I'm reaching, here, I know, but still. Driving a car is a huge risk to our health, but we all still do it for silly reasons.Maybe I'm in the weeds, but were there trusted sources, GOOD advice for PROPER usage, and no legal tape, I'd happily experiment with a year here and there of hard training and usage to get me more setup for where I'd like to be (physically) for the rest of my life. But it's all a moot point, because the policies are certainly not going to change anytime soon. And I sure as shit am not moving to Bulgaria.And I love how far afield this topic has gone! Ha. Since we're off topic, but it's my thread anyway, on the CBL-HD Leg day there are leg presses.. Leg presses kill my lower back because of the forced posterior pelvic tilt, anything y'all could suggest to swap them with for the same effect?
Front Squats.
They're already in the program.. 3x12 FS,3x10 BS, then 3x10 Leg Press.
Then do more of them. Either that do lunges.
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