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June 20, 2013 at 12:47 pm #8909
Compozed76MemberHey guys. Just a thought/question. I feel that I am not the only person who has a compulsion to do something 100% or not at all. Two questions that I keep muddling over…1. Is there a reason to gravitate towards hamburger patties/bacon when there are leaner protein sources that can be smothered in olive oil as a monounsaturated alternative? The coconut oil is awesome but why continue with bacon fat when other fat sources are better?2. I keep hearing, "keep the carbs dirty"... I understand the hi glycemic goal of that but and that the option of clean (white rice, sweet potatoes, ripe bananas) is there for the overall health conscious, but is there ANY redeeming value in getting "dirty" with the carb sources?I feel like Im going OCD with all this. "Keep it simple stupid." I get it. So please don't go there:) I'm going for simple and wise, and sustainable. Tell me a good reason to eat donuts and Im willing to be stupid.
June 20, 2013 at 12:49 pm #187864
Compozed76MemberWould have been good practice to proofread my post. Sorry for the fragmented rant
June 20, 2013 at 1:33 pm #187865
John LaPlaca JrMemberHey guys. Just a thought/question. I feel that I am not the only person who has a compulsion to do something 100% or not at all. Two questions that I keep muddling over...1. Is there a reason to gravitate towards hamburger patties/bacon when there are leaner protein sources that can be smothered in olive oil as a monounsaturated alternative? The coconut oil is awesome but why continue with bacon fat when other fat sources are better?Despite all the bullshit we have heard about saturated fat all of our lives, it is better for you. The only plant fat I use on a regular basis is coconut oil. If you are using non grass fed beef I would drain the fat and use grass fed butter or coconut oil. Refer to the article recently posted regarding plant fats on the main page. 2. I keep hearing, "keep the carbs dirty"... I understand the hi glycemic goal of that but and that the option of clean (white rice, sweet potatoes, ripe bananas) is there for the overall health conscious, but is there ANY redeeming value in getting "dirty" with the carb sources?Not sure if this is the 100% correct answer but its the higher GI response that you get. You can have the shitty carbs and keep it clean as far as preservatives and all that garbage. Make your own foods, stay gluten free, check processed shit limited. If you are trying to overall lean out stick to the simple meals such as chicken and white rice or chicken and potatoes, especially in the first meal backloading. Second meal it doesn't matter as much. Right now I am cleaning up my carbs in the sense of the complexity and I want to keep my bf in check. Some people use clean carbs as a backload the night before a workout or if they have been low carb for 2 days in a row, but this past Sunday I had a shitter backload but it was the night before deadlifts. Something you will need to play with.I feel like Im going OCD with all this. "Keep it simple stupid." I get it. So please don't go there:) I'm going for simple and wise, and sustainable. Tell me a good reason to eat donuts and Im willing to be stupid.A lot of this to you will need to play with yourself. I eat dirtier carbs on the deadlift and squat backloads. That doesn't stop me though if I want gelato or gluten free donuts on bench night. Its more of a overall preference and what your goals are.
June 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm #187866
John LaPlaca JrMemberhttp://athlete.io/5266/why-vegetable-and-nut-oils-suck/Here is that article I was talking about.Also dude.... just trust the program. Retrain your mind from anything you have learned diet and health wise. I came from the 6 meals a day body for life from Bill Phillips mindset. I have had success with it but never as much as I have had with CNS/CBL in a such a short period of time. I have also never felt this good both physically, mentally, and hunger wise.
June 20, 2013 at 2:36 pm #187850
Brandon D ChristParticipant1. If for whatever reason you don't buy into the recommendation that animal fats are better, then you can certainly use plant fats like olive oil.2. We want high GI carbs. When Kiefer says dirty carbs, he means carbs that are not traditionally recommended as good carb sources. Potatoes, white rice, and white bread are traditionally viewed as bad carbs by mainstream diets. The point Kiefer is trying to make is that DO NOT consume oatmeal, brown rice, and quinoa. If health is your biggest concern, I'd stick to potatoes and rice. However, junk food (like doughnuts) does have it's use because it has very anabolic properties. I recommend it if you are trying to gain weight.
June 20, 2013 at 2:37 pm #187851
Compozed76MemberI really appreciate the response man! Thank you! I guess this takes a little faith at first…does anyone limit fat intake on backload days where we are already getting significant caloric intake? I am excited about this program…first backload was last night
June 20, 2013 at 2:40 pm #187852
Compozed76MemberDoughnuts it is then!
June 20, 2013 at 2:58 pm #187853
John LaPlaca JrMember1. If for whatever reason you don't buy into the recommendation that animal fats are better, then you can certainly use plant fats like olive oil.2. We want high GI carbs. When Kiefer says dirty carbs, he means carbs that are not traditionally recommended as good carb sources. Potatoes, white rice, and white bread are traditionally viewed as bad carbs by mainstream diets. The point Kiefer is trying to make is that DO NOT consume oatmeal, brown rice, and quinoa. If health is your biggest concern, I'd stick to potatoes and rice. However, junk food (like doughnuts) does have it's use because it has very anabolic properties. I recommend it if you are trying to gain weight.
This is the main reason I keep junkier carbs to deadlifts and squats. I would also add if you have a lot of volume in your workouts you can have more junkier carbs. Atleast it works well for me.
June 20, 2013 at 3:07 pm #187854
Brandon D ChristParticipant1. If for whatever reason you don't buy into the recommendation that animal fats are better, then you can certainly use plant fats like olive oil.2. We want high GI carbs. When Kiefer says dirty carbs, he means carbs that are not traditionally recommended as good carb sources. Potatoes, white rice, and white bread are traditionally viewed as bad carbs by mainstream diets. The point Kiefer is trying to make is that DO NOT consume oatmeal, brown rice, and quinoa. If health is your biggest concern, I'd stick to potatoes and rice. However, junk food (like doughnuts) does have it's use because it has very anabolic properties. I recommend it if you are trying to gain weight.
This is the main reason I keep junkier carbs to deadlifts and squats. I would also add if you have a lot of volume in your workouts you can have more junkier carbs. Atleast it works well for me.
To be honest, in my experience, it is your overall training design, goals, and current body state that determines whether or not junk food is a good idea. Whatever exercises you did on a certain day seems to have no effect in my opinion.
June 20, 2013 at 3:41 pm #187855
John LaPlaca JrMember1. If for whatever reason you don't buy into the recommendation that animal fats are better, then you can certainly use plant fats like olive oil.2. We want high GI carbs. When Kiefer says dirty carbs, he means carbs that are not traditionally recommended as good carb sources. Potatoes, white rice, and white bread are traditionally viewed as bad carbs by mainstream diets. The point Kiefer is trying to make is that DO NOT consume oatmeal, brown rice, and quinoa. If health is your biggest concern, I'd stick to potatoes and rice. However, junk food (like doughnuts) does have it's use because it has very anabolic properties. I recommend it if you are trying to gain weight.
This is the main reason I keep junkier carbs to deadlifts and squats. I would also add if you have a lot of volume in your workouts you can have more junkier carbs. Atleast it works well for me.
To be honest, in my experience, it is your overall training design, goals, and current body state that determines whether or not junk food is a good idea. Whatever exercises you did on a certain day seems to have no effect in my opinion.
I think they all play an important role. I have dropped weight having the dirtier carbs at the end of the night on days that I had heavy deads and squats. I wake up looking great those following mornings. Only time I feel bloated and feel like shit is if theres too much gluten involved. I also don't go crazy on gelato or the junkier stuff either, so I think that's as equally important.
June 20, 2013 at 3:42 pm #187856
atomicusMemberIt's not that easy to avoid wheat/gluten though… I'm finding myself spending MUCH longer in the supermarket these days what with all the label reading lol!
June 20, 2013 at 3:45 pm #187857
John LaPlaca JrMemberIt's not that easy to avoid wheat/gluten though... I'm finding myself spending MUCH longer in the supermarket these days what with all the label reading lol!
It is and it isn't. You just need to do your research in advanced and you'll know what you can and can't have. I live near a whole foods and trader joe's so I have quite a bit of access. I also like cooking alot so I enjoy making new stuff.Bisquick gluten free pancake mix has been amazing for me. I even made a pizza crust with it the other day and the pizza came out great.Sticking to the simple things like rice, potatoes, and frutty pebbles will allow you to stay gluten free.
June 20, 2013 at 3:46 pm #187858
atomicusMemberI should mention, I'm in the UK… Whole Foods here are few and far between, and gluten free stuff is rather minimal in our shops (and mostly crap to be honest). We don't have Fruity Pebbles either, much to my annoyance, as I've had them in the US before and they are delicious. I do bake though, so enjoy experimenting with stuff that way.
June 20, 2013 at 3:59 pm #187859
John LaPlaca JrMemberI should mention, I'm in the UK... Whole Foods here are few and far between, and gluten free stuff is rather minimal in our shops (and mostly crap to be honest). We don't have Fruity Pebbles either, much to my annoyance, as I've had them in the US before and they are delicious. I do bake though, so enjoy experimenting with stuff that way.
Gluten free isn't necessarily needed. I cut it out due to the bloating and inflammation. If I end up having traces of it I don't sweat it or if I have it due to not having GF options I don't sweat it either.Some people can have it and are perfectly fine.
June 20, 2013 at 5:16 pm #187860
Brandon D ChristParticipantI stay gluten free, which is why most of my carbs are clean. I am not going to fork over the money for gluten free treats. I'll just buy rice and potatoes. These days, bananas are as decadent as I get.
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