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January 9, 2013 at 2:03 pm #6076
d3spwnParticipantRobb Wolf has been writing a series of articles on low carb diets and it's effects on health and athletic performance. The latest (see link below) contained this little tidbit: “If you are a strength athlete, I think CLC (Cyclic Low Carb) is the bee’s knees.”. http://robbwolf.com/2013/01/09/thoughts-carb-paleo-episode-3-hope/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RobbWolfThePaleoSolution+%28Robb+Wolf+%7C+The+Paleo+Solution+book+and+podcast+%7C+Paleolithic+nutrition%2C+intermittent+fasting%2C+and+fitness%29
January 9, 2013 at 2:19 pm #131388
mwachtelParticipantInsulin resistance being protective mechanism. Sounds like Kiefer's theory that type II diabetes is actually the bodies way of not allowing you to get any fatter. Until we created Metformin….
January 9, 2013 at 2:40 pm #131389
mwachtelParticipantActually alot of the stuff Rob talks about (besides the ketosis perhaps not being a “default” human state) Ive heard Kiefer talk about on the podcasts.
January 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm #131390
Sveta1017MemberThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, “CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days.” I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
January 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm #131391
mwachtelParticipantThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, "CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days." I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
Something like crossfit requires alot of glycogen. Which depending on the day is not consistently around when doing CNS. When Glycogen depleted, doing a glycogen deplete workouts is not conducive to performance or aesthetics.I would read Kiefer's article concerning crossfit (warning: he hates it), or at least the way some crossfitters train.
January 9, 2013 at 4:24 pm #131392
Sveta1017MemberThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, "CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days." I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
Something like crossfit requires alot of glycogen. Which depending on the day is not consistently around when doing CNS. When Glycogen depleted, doing a glycogen deplete workouts is not conducive to performance or aesthetics.I would read Kiefer's article concerning crossfit (warning: he hates it), or at least the way some crossfitters train.
I know how he feels about it. I don't do typical crossfit...I do something worse--which is the NAVY/Marine Corps trainer's version of it. Meaning, most of the workouts are long 30-40minutes. I find that I feel okay doing these workouts in the beginning of the week but by the end I'm pretty haggard. I also read that he said CrossFit can be really good for women because they have a hard time depleting their glycogen...so I guess I'll just pray for the best!
January 9, 2013 at 4:43 pm #131393
Richard SchmittModeratorYep, gotta remember he agrees and supports Kiefer's methods for CNS and CBL. So it's no surprise he's using it too.
January 9, 2013 at 5:06 pm #131394
mwachtelParticipantThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, "CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days." I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
Something like crossfit requires alot of glycogen. Which depending on the day is not consistently around when doing CNS. When Glycogen depleted, doing a glycogen deplete workouts is not conducive to performance or aesthetics.I would read Kiefer's article concerning crossfit (warning: he hates it), or at least the way some crossfitters train.
I know how he feels about it. I don't do typical crossfit...I do something worse--which is the NAVY/Marine Corps trainer's version of it. Meaning, most of the workouts are long 30-40minutes. I find that I feel okay doing these workouts in the beginning of the week but by the end I'm pretty haggard. I also read that he said CrossFit can be really good for women because they have a hard time depleting their glycogen...so I guess I'll just pray for the best!
Yes, he did say that about women, but those women probably aren't doing CNS...they are probably eating carbs consistently all week.
January 9, 2013 at 10:15 pm #131395
Sveta1017MemberThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, "CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days." I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
Something like crossfit requires alot of glycogen. Which depending on the day is not consistently around when doing CNS. When Glycogen depleted, doing a glycogen deplete workouts is not conducive to performance or aesthetics.I would read Kiefer's article concerning crossfit (warning: he hates it), or at least the way some crossfitters train.
I know how he feels about it. I don't do typical crossfit...I do something worse--which is the NAVY/Marine Corps trainer's version of it. Meaning, most of the workouts are long 30-40minutes. I find that I feel okay doing these workouts in the beginning of the week but by the end I'm pretty haggard. I also read that he said CrossFit can be really good for women because they have a hard time depleting their glycogen...so I guess I'll just pray for the best!
Yes, he did say that about women, but those women probably aren't doing CNS...they are probably eating carbs consistently all week.
I dunno, Kiefer specifically talked about it in a biojacked podcast specifically talking about CNS...
January 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm #131396
mwachtelParticipantThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, "CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days." I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
Something like crossfit requires alot of glycogen. Which depending on the day is not consistently around when doing CNS. When Glycogen depleted, doing a glycogen deplete workouts is not conducive to performance or aesthetics.I would read Kiefer's article concerning crossfit (warning: he hates it), or at least the way some crossfitters train.
I know how he feels about it. I don't do typical crossfit...I do something worse--which is the NAVY/Marine Corps trainer's version of it. Meaning, most of the workouts are long 30-40minutes. I find that I feel okay doing these workouts in the beginning of the week but by the end I'm pretty haggard. I also read that he said CrossFit can be really good for women because they have a hard time depleting their glycogen...so I guess I'll just pray for the best!
Yes, he did say that about women, but those women probably aren't doing CNS...they are probably eating carbs consistently all week.
I dunno, Kiefer specifically talked about it in a biojacked podcast specifically talking about CNS...
Actually I think he was talking about CBL at that point, could be wrong though. Regardless, I dont think traditional crossfitting workouts "WODs" are too optimal while doing CNS.
January 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm #131397
Trevor G FullbrightModeratorThats VERY interesting. Especially this statement, "CrossFit or very hard training while LC or ketogenic. Crossfit burns through glycogen like nothing else I can imagine. If you are going to do it, you need carbs, quite a few of them. If you are trying to be competitive I’d get at least 1.5-2.5g/lb of BW most days." I do CrossFit style training 2-3 times a week and the other 3 days I do purely strength. As the week progresses and gets further and further away from my CN I find I have difficulty finishing a WOD (workout of the day) and have absolutely NO energy. However, it was after those types of workouts that I tended to lose the most weight doing CNS. I know he says that is the "bees knees" for strength training so I guess I'll have to see how the two fit in together. I hope that we don't have to worry about adrenal failure...since we ARE eating carbs, right? Just once a week!
Something like crossfit requires alot of glycogen. Which depending on the day is not consistently around when doing CNS. When Glycogen depleted, doing a glycogen deplete workouts is not conducive to performance or aesthetics.I would read Kiefer's article concerning crossfit (warning: he hates it), or at least the way some crossfitters train.
I know how he feels about it. I don't do typical crossfit...I do something worse--which is the NAVY/Marine Corps trainer's version of it. Meaning, most of the workouts are long 30-40minutes. I find that I feel okay doing these workouts in the beginning of the week but by the end I'm pretty haggard. I also read that he said CrossFit can be really good for women because they have a hard time depleting their glycogen...so I guess I'll just pray for the best!
Yes, he did say that about women, but those women probably aren't doing CNS...they are probably eating carbs consistently all week.
I dunno, Kiefer specifically talked about it in a biojacked podcast specifically talking about CNS...
Actually I think he was talking about CBL at that point, could be wrong though. Regardless, I dont think traditional crossfitting workouts "WODs" are too optimal while doing CNS.
Women can use them very well providing they don't over do it. Just do enough to deplete your glycogen, at that point don't keep trying to force it.
January 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm #131398
FairyGuestI don't think traditional Crossfit is ever optimal . . . However, for women needing to burn off glycogen in the first three days following a CN high volume, heavy resistance training works well.
January 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm #131399
mwachtelParticipantI don't think traditional Crossfit is ever optimal . . . However, for women needing to burn off glycogen in the first three days following a CN high volume, heavy resistance training works well.
Good point Fairy. That may be the more important point.
January 9, 2013 at 11:18 pm #131400
Sveta1017MemberHaters! 😉
January 9, 2013 at 11:19 pm #131401
mwachtelParticipantHaters! 😉
Lol, sry.
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