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So I have finally read the book. Not sure why he would not mention in the book. Is the recommendation 1g protein per LMB and the rest is FAT?(not taking into account 30g carbs).How about Carb Loading, how many grams of carbs to eat in those 6 hours? or is it as much as you can?
Is anyone using Quest bars here? With 8g of carbs and 17g of fiber it seems like once a day this would be a good one. Since the rest are just vegetables like brocolli/spinach, I think it would definitely be under 30g of total carbs.
Is anyone using Quest bars here? With 8g of carbs and 17g of fiber it seems like once a day this would be a good one. Since the rest are just vegetables like brocolli/spinach, I think it would definitely be under 30g of total carbs.
I wouldn't eat those. Eat real food. If you do eat them make sure there isn't any sugar alcohols in them. As far as the carbs in the backload, you are going to have to play with the amount. Using the chart in the back of the book is a good idea of where to start. Most likely you will have to lower the amount for a lot.
Is anyone using Quest bars here? With 8g of carbs and 17g of fiber it seems like once a day this would be a good one. Since the rest are just vegetables like brocolli/spinach, I think it would definitely be under 30g of total carbs.
I wouldn't eat those. Eat real food. If you do eat them make sure there isn't any sugar alcohols in them. As far as the carbs in the backload, you are going to have to play with the amount. Using the chart in the back of the book is a good idea of where to start. Most likely you will have to lower the amount for a lot.
Oh I see that page, it shows something like 30g protein and 4g of carbs as ideal. That does not make sense?Regarding sugar alcohol, is that just for health reasons or is that for insulin spike? I doubt 5g will do anything for insulin.
Is anyone using Quest bars here? With 8g of carbs and 17g of fiber it seems like once a day this would be a good one. Since the rest are just vegetables like brocolli/spinach, I think it would definitely be under 30g of total carbs.
I wouldn't eat those. Eat real food. If you do eat them make sure there isn't any sugar alcohols in them. As far as the carbs in the backload, you are going to have to play with the amount. Using the chart in the back of the book is a good idea of where to start. Most likely you will have to lower the amount for a lot.
Oh I see that page, it shows something like 30g protein and 4g of carbs as ideal. That does not make sense?Regarding sugar alcohol, is that just for health reasons or is that for insulin spike? I doubt 5g will do anything for insulin.
Kid, I've mentioned the Quest Bars before, and it's been talked about before as well. It spikes insulin, halting fat burning, and the Quest Bars are NOT good for you. Just a bunch of added junk, you're better off with real food. And yes less than one gram will do everything to insulin,
I do believe you it is more effective not to have them and it is junk food. But I do not think it stops Ketone production nor rases insulin that much. Especially 1-5 carbs.Also take a look at this rice reduced its GI from 82 to 45 with some fat.http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/10/how-to-minimize-hyperglycemic-toxicity/
I hope you know meat raises insulin with 0 carbs? Do what ever you want, if you wanna eat them eat them but your talking to a guy (tex) who has success with every form of these protocols, one link talking about rice is not gonna change anyones mind. Rant over.
I do believe you it is more effective not to have them and it is junk food. But I do not think it stops Ketone production nor rases insulin that much. Especially 1-5 carbs.Also take a look at this rice reduced its GI from 82 to 45 with some fat.http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/10/how-to-minimize-hyperglycemic-toxicity/
We're worried about keeping in ketogensis, not producing ketones. But hey, go ahead eat those and see how it plays out for you. I warned you about them, so when you come back asking why you're stalling or what not, we'll be here to point you to what you posted just now. Pretty much with that link, made it seem that much more naive. I used Quest Bars a year ago, as well as those Carb Rite Bars, I stalled and gained fat just saying from personal experience.
I do believe you it is more effective not to have them and it is junk food. But I do not think it stops Ketone production nor rases insulin that much. Especially 1-5 carbs.Also take a look at this rice reduced its GI from 82 to 45 with some fat.http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/10/how-to-minimize-hyperglycemic-toxicity/
We're worried about keeping in ketogensis, not producing ketones. But hey, go ahead eat those and see how it plays out for you. I warned you about them, so when you come back asking why you're stalling or what not, we'll be here to point you to what you posted just now. Pretty much with that link, made it seem that much more naive. I used Quest Bars a year ago, as well as those Carb Rite Bars, I stalled and gained fat just saying from personal experience.
If you like them, maybe just use them on your backload
Are your refeeds very healthy? Low Glycemic?
We don't believe in low Glycemic at all around here.My last carb nite was PWO shake with dextrose, chicken with rice and sweet potato, a whole gluten free pizza, a half dozen pancakes, and a half box of kids cereal. Omnomnom.
...but no cheesecake.
Hey guys - how long have each one of you been on CN? And how long does it take to see difference ( I know each body is different but I'm asking average time)Fairy - what's your daily calorie intake? Do you even count them? And how is your carb nite? Dirty or clean? I want to know a woman's opinion 🙂 Thanks love.
Hi Amandinha,I've been on CN for 4.5 months. You will see a difference straight away, and from there it cycles between periods of no progress and periods of sudden progress. I have no idea what my calorie intake is. I only eat when I'm hungry, and once you cut out carbs, you don't feel like eating very much.My carb nite is 'dirty' though I try to go for higher quality ice cream, chocolate etc.Since I saw Kiefer's latest video, my carb Nite's will look like:First 3 hours (low fat)1) ULC Shake2) Rice & Dextrose3) Rice & Dextrose/Marshmallows Last 3 hours (junk)4) Ice cream & rice5) Doughnuts 6) Cake in a bowl with milk on top Yum, what kind of cake?Oh, also wanted to add, I just eat as much as I can stomach on Carb Nites. No limit. Damn straight.
I do believe you it is more effective not to have them and it is junk food. But I do not think it stops Ketone production nor rases insulin that much. Especially 1-5 carbs.Also take a look at this rice reduced its GI from 82 to 45 with some fat.http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/10/how-to-minimize-hyperglycemic-toxicity/
We're worried about keeping in ketogensis, not producing ketones. But hey, go ahead eat those and see how it plays out for you. I warned you about them, so when you come back asking why you're stalling or what not, we'll be here to point you to what you posted just now. Pretty much with that link, made it seem that much more naive. I used Quest Bars a year ago, as well as those Carb Rite Bars, I stalled and gained fat just saying from personal experience.
If you like them, maybe just use them on your backload
^^^Uh yeah good luck, probably a worst place to eat them too
I do believe you it is more effective not to have them and it is junk food. But I do not think it stops Ketone production nor rases insulin that much. Especially 1-5 carbs.Also take a look at this rice reduced its GI from 82 to 45 with some fat.http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/10/how-to-minimize-hyperglycemic-toxicity/
We're worried about keeping in ketogensis, not producing ketones. But hey, go ahead eat those and see how it plays out for you. I warned you about them, so when you come back asking why you're stalling or what not, we'll be here to point you to what you posted just now. Pretty much with that link, made it seem that much more naive. I used Quest Bars a year ago, as well as those Carb Rite Bars, I stalled and gained fat just saying from personal experience.
Producing ketones is ketogenesis. The reason why why we don't use sugar alcohols is they can halt ketogenesis. If they only have a couple grams of sugar alcohol it may or may not cause a problem. Just try it out and see.
One thing I'd like to know is what podcast/article does Kiefer mention that plant fats/oils are inferior to animal fats/coconut oil?Since reading up on the forum about it, I've been put off snacking on almonds/brazils/walnuts and I've not touched my cold-pressed rapeseed oil.
It was on the forums.You can have some nuts here and there, just don't gorge. More reasons then just fats.You shouldn't use rapeseed oil at all, that stuff is terrible.
I don't tend to gorge. I weigh out 25g and eat as a snack sometime between breakfast and lunch or after dinner.So that would still be fine then, right?As for the rapeseed oil, I was dubious about buying it. The only reason I did was because in the CNS book it mentioned supplementing omeaga-3 as much as possible.Seeing as rapeseed oil has a moderate amount of omega 3, I bought it and figured I would use it in place of olive oil for cooking with.Haven't touched it since I started lurking here. I just use butter/EVCO or just the fat that comes off the meat that I'm cooking.
That should be fine for nuts. If you seem to stall then cut them out.Omega-3's are great, but worthless when coming from plant sources.Rapeseed oil is also worse for cooking then EVOO, although EVOO isn't great either.If you are gonna supplement omega-3 then use EPA/DHA rich fish oil.
Plant source omega-3's are not worthless, just totally inefficient enzyme conversion in our metabolism to long chain omega-3's (EPA and DHA) that we use. Flax is much better fed to chickens to let them convert to EPA and DHA for meat and eggs. That's how omega-3 enriched eggs are produced. Stick to animal sources of omega-3 as others have stated (wild fish, fish oil, grass-fed/pastured animals).Don't cook with omega-3 oil of any type... just like omega-6 rich oils (seed oils), they are polyunsaturated and easily oxidized by heat.
One thing I'd like to know is what podcast/article does Kiefer mention that plant fats/oils are inferior to animal fats/coconut oil?Since reading up on the forum about it, I've been put off snacking on almonds/brazils/walnuts and I've not touched my cold-pressed rapeseed oil.
It was on the forums.You can have some nuts here and there, just don't gorge. More reasons then just fats.You shouldn't use rapeseed oil at all, that stuff is terrible.
I don't tend to gorge. I weigh out 25g and eat as a snack sometime between breakfast and lunch or after dinner.So that would still be fine then, right?As for the rapeseed oil, I was dubious about buying it. The only reason I did was because in the CNS book it mentioned supplementing omeaga-3 as much as possible.Seeing as rapeseed oil has a moderate amount of omega 3, I bought it and figured I would use it in place of olive oil for cooking with.Haven't touched it since I started lurking here. I just use butter/EVCO or just the fat that comes off the meat that I'm cooking.
That should be fine for nuts. If you seem to stall then cut them out.Omega-3's are great, but worthless when coming from plant sources.Rapeseed oil is also worse for cooking then EVOO, although EVOO isn't great either.If you are gonna supplement omega-3 then use EPA/DHA rich fish oil.
Plant source omega-3's are not worthless, just totally inefficient enzyme conversion in our metabolism to long chain omega-3's (EPA and DHA) that we use. Flax is much better fed to chickens to let them convert to EPA and DHA for meat and eggs. That's how omega-3 enriched eggs are produced. Stick to animal sources of omega-3 as others have stated (wild fish, fish oil, grass-fed/pastured animals).Don't cook with omega-3 oil of any type... just like omega-6 rich oils (seed oils), they are polyunsaturated and easily oxidized by heat.
I was simply stating that they are useless for humans to supplement with.But yeah, spot on. I die a little inside when I see people cooking with flax oil.
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