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    RYBALLVT
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    1) I did the prep phase, lost good weight, and believe I was keto. what is the true point? is it possible to stay keto once I start back loading? I don't believe I am keto any more after 3 back-loads. 2) During Prep about 8 days in i regained all my energy. Then I felt hungry, and my limbs would become very cold. (fingertips and toes). I was also urinating frequently, very very thirsty, a slight buzzed feeling, mouth was very dry, and a funny taste, but once I started to back load that was all gone, and now i feel normal. Should i do the prep-phase again? I'm I supposed to still be Keto once i start back-loading?3) My goal is to density bulk, i want to put on solid mass. I am around 7%BF and 170lbs. I want to stay as lean as possible. I am so tired of getting to 185, and have to cut for 15weeks just to get right back to where I was. I want to put on true mass that i will not diet off.4) I want to make sure eveything I am doing is right. IF i became keto, then reentered carbs from back-loading, am I still supposed to be Keto. I am very confused. I did the whole prep phase and believe I became Keto for a point, but than what?

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    BenjaminD
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    I recall reading once that during an ultra-low carbohydrate diet, you can get a metallic taste in your mouth. That's typically how you can tell you're in ketosis (might want to varify that).However, once you have carbs I don't think you stay in ketosis. As far as I understand it, ketosis is a process that results from extremely low carbohydrate periods and something like that.I've never claimed to be a scientist...

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    Brandon D Christ
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    I am not an expert in this area, but I think this is how it goes.  We actually are not interested in ketosis, we are interested in ketogenesis.  Ketogenesis is when your body learns to use ketones effeciently so it becomes a preffered fuel for your body during the ULC periods of carb backloading, instead of only using your glycogen stores.  Though I believe that glycogen is still used exclusively during the intense exercises.  Another reason for the prep phase is to destroy the enzymes that make metabolizing carbs effecient.  You have to be eating carbs a certain amount of time for your body to make the enzymes again and your backloads are short enough to avoid that.  I believe the time is about 6 hours of carbs.  This I think is the reason why you can get hot and sweaty after a backload, there is a lot of excess energy your body just wastes it as heat.

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    pshannon
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    Those are all the signs of going very low carb. If you were doing DB you didnt even need to do the prep phase. Your supposed to have energy on this diet, since you should be eating a lot of carbs. Do you want to go through the pain of a prep phase again?

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    BenjaminD
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    I am not an expert in this area, but I think this is how it goes.  We actually are not interested in ketosis, we are interested in ketogenesis.  Ketogenesis is when your body learns to use ketones effeciently so it becomes a preffered fuel for your body during the ULC periods of carb backloading, instead of only using your glycogen stores.  Though I believe that glycogen is still used exclusively during the intense exercises.  Another reason for the prep phase is to destroy the enzymes that make metabolizing carbs effecient.  You have to be eating carbs a certain amount of time for your body to make the enzymes again and your backloads are short enough to avoid that.  I believe the time is about 6 hours of carbs.  This I think is the reason why you can get hot and sweaty after a backload, there is a lot of excess energy your body just wastes it as heat.

    This is a good example of a better answer than mine lol

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    Brandon D Christ
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    Those are all the signs of going very low carb. If you were doing DB you didnt even need to do the prep phase. Your supposed to have energy on this diet, since you should be eating a lot of carbs. Do you want to go through the pain of a prep phase again?

    Yes but the point of density bulk to gain muscle without gaining fat.  If you want to keep fat gain to minum, do the prep phase.  This way it is unlikely carbs will be stored as fat, but you will still get the large anabolic reactions from carbs. 

    #15662

    RYBALLVT
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    so point for prep phase:1) get your body accustomed to burning fat2) determine how much glycogen is in muscles by weight loss (delta chart).3) deplete all glycogen so future back loads go to that4) it is not to stay keto, but get to the point of keto to be more effective at future fat burning?I am just hung up on why we need to get to the point of ketogensous if once we back load the ability is greatly diminished or even destroyed.

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    Jeffrey Hansen
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    A newbies interpretation:The morning or low carb time is the main fat burning time, the workout/backload allows you to either keep muscle and or build it depending on training and amount of carbs consumed.  (for the most part). The ulc mornings also allow full use of the bodies natural growth hormone cycle also, so that would help build muscle as well.  In effect the cycles are setup to work with the bodies natural rhythm. Kiefer calls it MTR.

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