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I am wondering if I should make the change from CNS to CBL.A bit about me:Sex: MaleAge: 31Height: 5"10Weight: 220-230lbsBF%: I dont know for certain but at least 22%I've done CNS for around 6months and in that time i dropped around 40lbs. During this time I was going to the gym at least 4 days a week doing 5/3/1.The main reason why I am considering the idea of buying the book and making the switch is because i really love going to the gym and i really love lifting heavy. I find this hard to do consistently on CNS.I'm not built like a brick shithouseHeres roughly what I'm lifting, coming off a 2-3month break yeilding a few big changes in life.Bench: 120lbsSquat: 230lbsDeadlift: 200lbsSo without rambling too much, is it worthwhile making the switch or not?Cheers! 8)
I think this is a “what's your goal question/response”. I'd say if your trying to lose more weight and body fat, probably stick to CNS, but maybe add mid week carb night to help get you through your workouts? If your mostly interested in gaining strength and recomp and not too worried about weight loss or fat loss then CBL is cool. Not that you can't lose weight/fat on CBL, but I think CNS is a little more geared for that.
If your primary goal is fat loss, stick to CNS. If your looking to make gains, while possibly re comping (a lot slower than CNS) then do CBL-SAYou would benefit from buying the book, reading it, then deciding. Either way if you plan to stick with this lifestyle you will want to switch to CBL from CNS once you cut down some more. So getting the information to be informed on both protocols is a good idea. Furthermore, (something I personally did) adapting CBL protocols into your CNS while weight training can be very beneficial prior to switching to a full blown CBL.
Or even doing cycles of CNS, CBL, a mixed version, etc. If you have both tools at your disposal it can be very powerful. I'm currently experimenting with doing some cycles over the next year. Currently in CBL-SA with very large backloads with the goal of gaining weight (muscle) with minimum fat gain (although some is expected) over the next few months, then switching to CNS for a for a few months, and then back to CBL-SA with small/normal back loads to finish the year.If nothing else it'll give you an idea of how your body adapts and reacts to different protocols and can give you a break from your normal routine.I think a few other people on here are playing with cycling.
If your primary goal is fat loss, stick to CNS. If your looking to make gains, while possibly re comping (a lot slower than CNS) then do CBL-SAYou would benefit from buying the book, reading it, then deciding. Either way if you plan to stick with this lifestyle you will want to switch to CBL from CNS once you cut down some more. So getting the information to be informed on both protocols is a good idea. Furthermore, (something I personally did) adapting CBL protocols into your CNS while weight training can be very beneficial prior to switching to a full blown CBL.
This pretty much spot on. I think either route could work from an aesthetic view. CNS would be the safe conservative route, but CBL, if done correctly and with appropriate training, could get the job done too.If you are more focused on strength and muscle growth, then CBL hands down.
I went from CNS to CBL a couple months ago, and besides gaining the initial 10lbs or so back when I added carbs back into my diet, i've only went up two additional pounds, which I think is mostly muscle as my clothes still fit the same. I didn't take measurements until recently to verify that, but either way, I haven't gained much weight back after the initial weight gain that everyone says is normal. Judging by your height/weight and the amount you're lifting, I would say that you are probably over 30% bodyfat. I would also assume that you are relatively new to lifting and so I think, if that's the case, you may benefit more from CBL because you will see much faster muscle growth than with CNS. Add that to your initial "newbie" gains and you may end up surprising yourself with your gains and fat loss. My vote is to give CBL a shot and if after a few weeks you are gaining fat back, switch back to CNS or go easier on your back-loads.
If your primary goal is fat loss, stick to CNS. If your looking to make gains, while possibly re comping (a lot slower than CNS) then do CBL-SAYou would benefit from buying the book, reading it, then deciding. Either way if you plan to stick with this lifestyle you will want to switch to CBL from CNS once you cut down some more. So getting the information to be informed on both protocols is a good idea. Furthermore, (something I personally did) adapting CBL protocols into your CNS while weight training can be very beneficial prior to switching to a full blown CBL.
Well said, CBach. My thoughts exactly.My only additional comment is if you're staying on CNS, I wouldn't buy CBL... Since CBL2.0 is (theoretically) just around the corner, I'd wait to buy that, so you aren't paying for both.
Why wait? The information in the book is useful now… 2.0 doesnt have a release date, or any information on when either.
Those are some really good replies so thanks to those who took the time 🙂I'm gonna take the advice given to me and buy the book. While reading the book I am going to continue applying the CNS protocols and see where I am over the next 2-4 weeks.Ideally, I would like the gains associated with CBL as opposed to CNS. This is assuming that CBL will offer strength gains then fat loss where as CNS is primarily focused around fat loss and whatever you do in the gym with weight training is up to you and a bonus.My intentions behind switching to CBL aren't to open myself up to smashing carbs just because I did a dumbbell curl and so I will be following the protocol as strict as possible and wouldn't consider going into it blind and take the "learn as I go" approach.The last thing that I want to do is switch protocols and get the blowout effect.As far as the information on CBL 1.0 being outdated - This may be true, however doesn't the purchase include an upgrade to CBL 2.0 whenever it comes out for no extra charge?
Those are some really good replies so thanks to those who took the time 🙂I'm gonna take the advice given to me and buy the book. While reading the book I am going to continue applying the CNS protocols and see where I am over the next 2-4 weeks.Ideally, I would like the gains associated with CBL as opposed to CNS. This is assuming that CBL will offer strength gains then fat loss where as CNS is primarily focused around fat loss and whatever you do in the gym with weight training is up to you and a bonus.My intentions behind switching to CBL aren't to open myself up to smashing carbs just because I did a dumbbell curl and so I will be following the protocol as strict as possible and wouldn't consider going into it blind and take the "learn as I go" approach.The last thing that I want to do is switch protocols and get the blowout effect.As far as the information on CBL 1.0 being outdated - This may be true, however doesn't the purchase include an upgrade to CBL 2.0 whenever it comes out for no extra charge?
from what i have heard no.. but will be discounted
Why wait? The information in the book is useful now... 2.0 doesnt have a release date, or any information on when either.
I said why, silly. 😛 I PERSONALLY would wait, because I wouldn't want to buy the first one, then right about the time I'm ready to switch, have 2.0 come out. Especially since nearly all the CBL info you need can be found on here or on other websites, just like Kiefer has said-- he's never been shy about telling people how it works.. Just how I'd do it.And no, it doesn't have a release date.. Though on Robb's podcast Kiefer was just on I think he said something like 6 weeks and it should be finished or something along those lines. So like I said it's THEORETICALLY pretty soon. We can all cross our fingers!
Buying the book is way different than digging for info on these forums. +You get access to CBL Member Forums. Additionally small details and tweaks can be assessed from reading the original content in Keifers words. Trying CBL without the book (to me) is like taking a half blind jump into things. If your serious about getting results, and serious about what you do with your body, buying the original, official information on the protocol your implementing is the least you can do. Back that up by reading forums, watching videos, listening to podcasts, etc. Dont let that be your primary source of information.
I think that's a bit shitty that you don't get a free upgrade to CBL 2.0 whenever it is ready to come out but that's not up to me to decide.I wonder if a mod will read this and give me access to the CBL forums for me to read about with intention to buy the book on its release?I am not in desperate need of switching and if the release date is in ~6 weeks I will just hold out my purchase until then.Thanks again for the advice 🙂You are absolutely right CBach, CBL without the book is crazy. As all I am looking to do right now is school up on it, I will sift through what i can from the forums which i can see now and get into the tube casts. Once CBL 2.0 comes out I will snap it up (fingers crossed on a 24hr special or something).It might be a good thing that I have this "delay" anyway even though as much as I would like to get into CBL it may be better that I stick with CNS for a little while longer 🙂 😉
I think that's a bit shitty that you don't get a free upgrade to CBL 2.0 whenever it is ready to come out but that's not up to me to decide.I am not in desperate need of switching and if the release date is in ~6 weeks I will just hold out my purchase until then.
I think for awhile you did get a free upgrade, but there was a deadline you had to purchase CBL1.0 by... Seems like I remember receiving a couple emails about how that deal was ending. (This was a couple months ago)Also, I didn't say RELEASE date .. I said I think he said something about a few weeks until he was finished with it. Meaning it could be 10 weeks until release, it could be 18, it could be more. Who knows how long the editing/publishing stuff will take.
I think for awhile you did get a free upgrade, but there was a deadline you had to purchase CBL1.0 by... Seems like I remember receiving a couple emails about how that deal was ending. (This was a couple months ago)Also, I didn't say RELEASE date .. I said I think he said something about a few weeks until he was finished with it. Meaning it could be 10 weeks until release, it could be 18, it could be more. Who knows how long the editing/publishing stuff will take.
Actually, I think you're right as I remember something like that as well in the 4 part series email, so I retract my comment about it being shitty.I'm still gonna hold off for a few weeks. Maybe there will be some word as Kiefer did kinda jump back on the grid...
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